What does this math statement mean?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of the phrase "in x" in the context of a collection of polynomials with complex coefficients of degree less than N. Participants explore the implications of this notation and its relevance to the structure of polynomials.

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  • Some participants seek clarification on what "in x" refers to, questioning the role of the variable x in the context of polynomials.
  • One participant explains that x is the variable in the polynomial, providing an example of a polynomial structure with complex coefficients.
  • Another participant contrasts the use of x with other variables, such as y and z, suggesting that the notation indicates the variable used in the polynomial.
  • Some participants express that the notation might be necessary for consistency, especially if multiple sets of polynomials are being discussed.
  • One participant elaborates on the formal treatment of polynomials as strings of symbols, emphasizing the need to distinguish between variables and coefficients to avoid confusion.
  • Another point raised discusses the broader implications of the "polynomial in __" terminology, suggesting that it allows for the exploration of polynomials in various expressions beyond traditional variables.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity and implications of the "in x" notation, with no consensus reached on its significance or the reasons for its introduction.

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Some participants note that the discussion may depend on specific definitions and formal settings, which could influence the interpretation of polynomials and their variables.

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"consider the collection of all polynomials (with complex coefficients) of degree less than N in x"

okay so I'm considering a set of polynomials with complex coefficients and degree of the polynomial is less than N. what is this "in x" part that's being referred to? what's x?...
 
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iScience said:
"consider the collection of all polynomials (with complex coefficients) of degree less than N in x"

okay so I'm considering a set of polynomials with complex coefficients and degree of the polynomial is less than N. what is this "in x" part that's being referred to? what's x?...
x is the variable in the polynomial. For example, a typical polynomial in this set is f(x) = a0 + a1x + a2x2 + ... + aN-1xN-1. The coefficients a0, a1, etc. are complex, and x can take on complex values.
 
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As opposed to [itex]2- 3y+ y^2[/itex] or [itex]4- 7z^2+ 8z^9[/itex] which are "in" y and z rather than x!
 
Admittedly, that's a weird thing to say.

I think it's likely that another set of polynomials is introduced, and so it is a matter of having a consistent notation to follow. It would be strange to just talk about one set of polynomials, and to care about what symbol the variable uses.
 
There are at least two reasons for the introduction of "in x" when describing these polynomials;

1) In a more formal setting, polynomials are treated like strings of symbols where some of the symbols (the coefficients) come from one set and the other symbols (the powers of the "variable(s)") from another. In order to avoid problems, it is usually stipulated that the variable(s) can't also be coefficient symbols, and so one must stipulate what the "variable" symbol is.

In these settings the "variable" usually isn't meant to actually be a variable/place-holder, and the polynomial isn't intended to represent a "function" per se. This idea can be extended to formal "power series over __ in __", which are quite powerful in a somewhat "abstract nonesense" sort of way; one can develop quite a bit of complex analysis, for example, without even talking about complex numbers and functions. Heck, one particularly common way of developing the complex numbers uses formal polynomials.

2) To to those familiar with the "polynomial in __" terminology, one can talk about polynomials in ##e^x## ( ##e^{2x}+2e^x+1##), polynomials in ##\sin\theta## (##\sin^2\theta+2\sin\theta+1##), polynomials in ##y^2## (##y^4+2y^2+1##), etc. Methods for solving equations of these types then become more obvious; i.e. we can use techniques for solving polynomial equations to help us solve equations involving things that wouldn't normally be considered according-to-Hoyle polynomials.
 

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