What elements make up the core of a dying star?

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The discussion revolves around the elements that make up the core of a dying star, exploring the processes involved in stellar collapse, supernova events, and nucleosynthesis. Participants examine the balance of forces in a star, the conditions leading to explosions, and the formation of elements during these processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants describe the balance between gravitational collapse and internal pressure from fusion as critical to a star's lifecycle, noting that depletion of nuclear fuel leads to collapse.
  • Others propose that during collapse, temperatures and pressures can rise to initiate new nuclear reactions, potentially triggering explosive events.
  • One participant suggests that the core can collapse into a neutron star or black hole, causing outer layers to rebound and contribute to explosive phenomena.
  • There are claims that elements lighter than iron can fuse into heavier elements, while elements heavier than iron cannot, leading to a dead end at iron in the core.
  • Some participants assert that core collapse supernovae involve a significant release of energy that can blow away outer layers, while others differentiate between types of supernovae based on the mechanisms of explosion.
  • Discrepancies arise regarding the decay of nickel isotopes and the timing of nuclear processes leading to iron formation, with some participants providing references to external sources for clarification.
  • There is discussion on how heavier elements are formed during supernova explosions, with some suggesting that the explosion facilitates fusion of elements like nickel and cobalt into heavier elements.
  • One participant references specific isotopic compositions in the core of a star, indicating a mix of elements near iron, and discusses the implications of silicon burning in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views on the processes involved in stellar collapse and supernova events. There is no consensus on the specifics of the mechanisms or the exact composition of the core elements, leading to ongoing debate and clarification attempts.

Contextual Notes

Participants note various assumptions about nuclear processes and the conditions under which elements are formed. The discussion includes references to external sources that may present differing interpretations of stellar evolution and nucleosynthesis.

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Okay, so so you got two forces acting on a star. Gravity trying to compress it, and the internal pressure, caused by fusion, pushing it out. For the star's life they are at equilibrium, but the star dies when it runs out of nuclear fuel.

Then why do some stars explode? Shouldn't they all collapse?
 
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The collapse induces enormous temperatures the star cannot contain.
 
nhmllr said:
Okay, so so you got two forces acting on a star. Gravity trying to compress it, and the internal pressure, caused by fusion, pushing it out. For the star's life they are at equilibrium, but the star dies when it runs out of nuclear fuel.

Then why do some stars explode? Shouldn't they all collapse?

During collapse (and during slow shrinkage too) temperatures and pressures inside the star rise. If at some point temperature and pressure enable a previously impossible nuclear reaction which releases a lot of energy and has a large dependence on temperature, then this may trigger a runaway burn. This is especially likely if matter is degenerate - because degenerate matter does not noticeably expand when heated. (Expansion may quench the reaction).
 
Also as the core collapses into a neutron star or black hole the outer layers are falling in the density rises to point where these gases see a brick wall and rebound, in addition to nuclear reactions creating heavy elements, that what I though at least
 
Huge stars (with one exception) both collapse and explode. The cores of these stars have the greatest pressure and temperature. Hydrogen is fused into helium, carbon, oxygen and other elements. When the core fuses into a nickel isotope (IIRC nickel 59), the nickel quickly decays into iron. Elements lighter than iron can fuse into heavier elements and thereby release energy. Elements heavier than iron can split into lighter elements and again release energy. Iron is exceptional in that neither fusion nor fission of this element releases energy. The core has reached a dead end. The mass of the outer layers of the star are no longer held up by the release of core energy. So the outer layers collapse onto the iron core at about a quarter of the speed of light. These still contain hydrogen and other lighter elements in layers like an onion. The pressure of the collapse causes these elements to fuse at an incredible rate and the resulting explosion blows the outer layers away and crushes the core even further. You get a super nova event and the core is reduced to neutrons or a black hole.

Really unique giant stars don’t collapse. The pressures at the cores of these stars are so great that anti-matter is created. A chain reaction of matter -antimatter collisions causes the star’s core to erupt and the star is totally ripped apart in a hyper nova.
 
nhmllr said:
Then why do some stars explode? Shouldn't they all collapse?

In some sense they all do, but what happens with core collapse supernova is that the inner parts of the star collapse which releases enough energy to blow away the outer layers. With other supernova, you have enough energy with nuclear reactions that the whole star goes kaboom.
 
I don't seem to be able to edit my earlier post. Anyway, it's Nickel 56 decays to Cobalt 56 and then to Iron 56 (then kaboom).
 
Arch2008 said:
I don't seem to be able to edit my earlier post. Anyway, it's Nickel 56 decays to Cobalt 56 and then to Iron 56 (then kaboom).

Nope. The kaboom happens before the nuclear reactions. What happens with core collapse supernova is that the core of the star collapses into a neutron star. This collapse releases 10^53 ergs of energy (most of which gets emitted in the form of neutrinos) and by some magic process which we don't understand, 1% of that energy gets deposited into the outer layers and that goes kaboom.

So for core collapse supernova, you do get a collapse, but the energy from that collapse generates an explosion.
 
Nope, it’s iron core first, then neutron core, then kaboom.

“Within a massive, evolved star (a) the onion-layered shells of elements undergo fusion, forming an iron core (b) that reaches Chandrasekhar-mass and starts to collapse. The inner part of the core is compressed into neutrons (c), causing infalling material to bounce (d) and form an outward-propagating shock front (red). The shock starts to stall (e), but it is re-invigorated by a process that may include neutrino interaction. The surrounding material is blasted away (f), leaving only a degenerate remnant.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernova
 
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Arch2008 said:
Nope, it’s iron core first, then neutron core, then kaboom.

Incorrect. The silicon burning process that produces nickel takes approximately 5 days in a 25 solar mass star. See the table here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_II_supernova

Edit: I will say that a lower mass star burns at a slower rate and would take longer, but I don't know how to calculate the time. So I would guess that it would be possible for stars near the lower limit to survive in the silicorn burning phase for long enough for some nickel to decay into cobalt and then iron over a few months. For higher mass stars the process is too quick for much iron to accumulate.
 
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Okay, so all elements from the periodic table up to and including iron are created within the cores of large stars, how are the heavier elements assembled if the star explodes at the production of iron?
 
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Matt Todd said:
Okay, so all elements from the periodic table up to and including iron are created within the cores of large stars, how are the heavier elements assembled if the star explodes at the production of iron?

The supernova process forces nickel, cobalt, iron and heavier elements to fuse together in the explosion, forming the rest of the elements.
See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernova_nucleosynthesis
 
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Arch2008 said:
So Drakkith, the Wiki is right when you quote it, but not for me.

Here's what I said from NASA:

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/science/know_l1/sn_overview.html

Been doing some looking around and according to the following link, I believe the core consists of a mix of different elements and isotopes near Iron.

Basically, silicon burning in the star’s core turns the products of
oxygen burning (Si, S, Ar, Ca, etc.) into the most tightly bound nuclei
(in the iron group) for a given neutron excess, η.

Following Si-burning at the middle of a 25 solar mass star:
54Fe 0.487
58Ni 0.147
56Fe 0.141
55Fe 0.071
57Co 0.044
Neutron-rich nuclei in the iron peak.
Ye = 0.4775
http://www.ucolick.org/~woosley/ay220-09/lecture12/lecture12.09.pdf

It looks to me like most of the core is 54Fe, which would be a mostly iron core. (If those numbers are a measure of the fraction of each element in the core.)
 
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