What exactly is electron spin?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the concept of electron spin, exploring its nature as an intrinsic property rather than a classical spinning motion. Participants examine the implications of electron spin in quantum mechanics, its relationship with angular momentum, and its effects in magnetic fields.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that electron spin is an intrinsic angular momentum and should not be interpreted as the electron physically rotating about an axis.
  • Others propose that treating the electron as a spinning spherical shell leads to contradictions, such as requiring speeds greater than light to achieve the observed angular momentum.
  • A participant questions whether the electron's spherical symmetry in its magnetic and electric properties implies a physical spinning nature.
  • There are discussions about the significance of intrinsic angular momentum and its role in determining how electrons align in external magnetic fields.
  • Some participants clarify that the spin quantum number determines alignment with magnetic fields, not the angular momentum itself.
  • One participant introduces advanced concepts related to angular momentum in quantum mechanics, referencing Lie groups and their representations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of electron spin, with no consensus reached on whether it can be thought of as a physical spinning motion or solely as an intrinsic property. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of angular momentum and its relationship to magnetic field alignment.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference classical models and quantum mechanical frameworks, indicating a complexity in understanding the nature of electron spin that may depend on specific definitions and interpretations.

  • #31
granpa said:
the speed of the electron in ground state of the bohr model of hydrogen is ac

I think you'll agree that there are better theories than the Bohr model. For example, for the Dirac equation, eigenvalues of velocity projections are +-c (see, e.g., Dirac's book "Principles...", the chapter where he discusses Zitterbewegung.)
 
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  • #32
Thanks a lot, guys! :D I'm quite the beginner in QM. So,I still don't completely understand all of it, but I think I'm on the way...
 
  • #33
Dickfore said:
Spin is a type of angular momentum, where angular momentum is defined in the modern way as the "generator of rotations" (see Noether's theorem).[1][2] This modern definition of angular momentum is not the same as the historical classical mechanics definition, L = r × p. (The historical definition, which does not include spin, is more specifically called "orbital angular momentum".)

Good quotes; I feel this is seldom emphasized enough. The problem when describing spin as 'intrinsic angular momentum' is that it gives the impression that it can be described as classical (or orbital) angular momentum - as if the electron is 'spinning on its own axis', even though it's not. The oft-cited rationale that it can't be doing that "because it'd spin faster than the speed of light" easily furthers that misconception. -What if you're working non-relativistically? That's usually the case when describing electrons in atoms/molecules. If that's the case, there's no reason to care about exceeding the speed of light. Can't you model electron spin that way anyway?

But you can't model electron spin as if it were spinning on its axis; it's not SO(3). Spinors aren't vectors. Or in layman's terms: A rotating object doesn't reverse its direction if you rotate it 360 degrees - and an electron does. That fact is much more critical to electron behavior than the actual "rotation" itself (spin-orbit coupling being a relatively small effect in many cases). Since without it, you have no Pauli principle!
 

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