What examples are there of amateurs contributing to science?

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The discussion revolves around examples of amateur contributions to science, particularly focusing on the last 20 years. Participants explore historical instances, contemporary cases, and the evolving role of amateurs in various scientific fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the definition of "amateur" can vary, citing historical figures like Einstein, Fermat, and Descartes, who were knowledgeable yet not professional scientists.
  • One participant mentions a 2010 case of eight-year-old children publishing a study on bees, highlighting a recent example of amateur contributions.
  • A story is shared about a cancer researcher who received an unconventional idea from a music teacher, suggesting that amateurs can inspire new approaches in established fields.
  • Another participant argues that while amateurs have historically contributed to astronomy, the increasing complexity of science may limit meaningful contributions from non-professionals today.
  • Julian Barbour is mentioned as a contemporary example of an amateur who has published respected theory papers without holding a professional position.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the viability of amateur contributions in fields like cancer research, citing the abundance of existing research and treatments.
  • One participant notes that computing science has seen many amateurs due to the field's relatively recent emergence, suggesting that many professionals today come from diverse backgrounds.
  • There is mention of amateurs previously cataloging near-Earth asteroids, though uncertainty exists about the current state of such contributions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the role and impact of amateur contributions in science. While some examples are provided, there is no consensus on the significance or feasibility of these contributions in contemporary scientific research.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the increasing complexity of scientific fields and the evolving nature of contributions, suggesting that the landscape for amateurs may be changing. Limitations in current examples and the definition of "amateur" are also noted.

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Obviously there are loads from history but I was thinking about the past 20 years or so.
 
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Depends with what you mean with "amateur".

For example, Einstein was an amateur because he did not get paid to do science. He did have a PhD and obviously wasn't a layman. But he wasn't a professional scientist, because his job was in a patent office.

Some other "amateurs" would include Fermat and Descartes, who were lawyers and not professional scientists. But again: these people were very knowledgeable about the field they contributed to!

But these are examples of more than 100 years ago. I honestly don't know any examples from the last 20 years. I think science has advanced so much that it is really hard for non-professionals to have meaningful contributions. That is: to make a contribution, you need to work day and night. It's very hard to do if you already have another job.

Furthermore, to make a contribution now requires a lot more knowledge than 100 years ago.
 
Here's one from 2010.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2010/12/21/eight-year-old-children-publish-bee-study-in-royal-society-journal/"
 
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Jimmy Snyder said:
Here's one from 2010.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2010/12/21/eight-year-old-children-publish-bee-study-in-royal-society-journal/"

Wow, what a beautiful story!
 
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One heard this past weekend.
One day a successful cancer researcher named Jonathan Brody gave a talk at his alma mater, about how people in his field need to think outside the box if they're going to find a cure. Afterward Jonathan's old music teacher Anthony Holland shared an idea that was way out of the box: Killing cancer cells with sound waves. Gabriel Rhodes tells what happened next. Gabriel is also working on a documentary film version of this story, called The Cure.
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/450/so-crazy-it-just-might-work?act=1
 
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/290/5499/2062

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleListURL&_method=list&_ArticleListID=1844550627&_sort=r&_st=13&view=c&_acct=C000228598&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=c819e8b99cadc74a9bc44fe0f09c6551&searchtype=a
 
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Astronuc said:

This story is a load of rubbish (not you Astro! The story). There are hundreds upon hundreds of varied, blue sky and downright bizarre cancer treatments under research. Sound is an old and simple idea, just look up therapeutic ultrasound for tumour treatment. The fact that this story is being peddled as a cure in combination with some magic eureka moment that cancer researchers are too involved to see pretty much tells me anything I need to know.
 
I would throw out Julian Barbour. Phd, no academic position. A long, long, amount of thinking on his own. Now commands respect, and gets his theory papers published in major peer reviewed journals. So far as I know, still no professional position.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/features/sywtbas/ (though I guess most PF members would not qualify to enter for it).

Astronomy is still a field where amateurs make regular contributions. There's just too much sky for the professionals to watch all of it all the time. Often the first indication that "something interesting just happened" comes form amateurs, followed by a scramble among the professionals to get telescope time to observe it in more detail.

Discovering long-period comets used to be an amateur "speciality", since the basic method is just "keep looking till you see something that isn't on the star charts", but some of the space telescopes are now "hoovering up" comets as a by-product of what they were designed to observe, and of course they aren't limited by the Earth's atmosphere.
 
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Signing your organ donor card?
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Signing your organ donor card?

:smile:
 
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how about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_R._Hendricks"
 
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Monster92 said:
Obviously there are loads from history but I was thinking about the past 20 years or so.

Computing science is an example for that, since effectively most people are amateurs since the field, or rather, education didn't exist twenty or thirty years ago. So, especially in software engineering, you find people from physics, EE, math, chemistry and even sociology.

I doubt that going into CS without a CS, or math, degree makes a lot of sense these days though. I went to university twenty years ago, it was professional, but most teachers weren't all-rounders in the field as their students are now, and I expect some of them have a hard time keeping up these days.
 
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Jimmy Snyder said:
Here's one from 2010.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2010/12/21/eight-year-old-children-publish-bee-study-in-royal-society-journal/"

That's a fantastic story and a really neat thing to lean about bees.

I've been doing some "amateur" behavioral studies myself. I only have preliminary findings, but it seems that you cannot condition your girlfriend to enjoy video games even if you associate the sound of dragon-swooping and swords-on-shields with chocolaty treats. She will still just associate the chocolaty treats with chocolaty treats.
 
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Several years ago amateurs were largely esponsible for cataloging a lot the near Earth asteroids, but I'm not sure if that's still being done that way or if it's largely governmental organizations now.
 

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