What Factors Affect the Temperature of Air Exiting an Air Cooled Diesel Engine?

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The discussion focuses on the factors affecting the temperature of air exiting an air-cooled diesel engine, specifically for a 100HP engine. Participants explore theoretical and practical aspects, including heat transfer, airflow dynamics, and the need for specific data to make accurate calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the feasibility of determining the air temperature without specific data, suggesting that it critically depends on airflow details and heat transfer efficiency.
  • Another participant proposes that the temperature can be estimated using the rate of heat rejected, incoming air temperature, and specific heat of air.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of computational fluid dynamics for modeling airflow and acknowledges that estimates can only provide a ballpark figure.
  • Participants discuss the efficiency of the engine and the rate of airflow as key factors influencing the temperature of the air exiting the engine.
  • One participant provides a numerical example to illustrate how airflow rate affects temperature, highlighting the need for sufficient airflow to prevent excessive heating of the air.
  • Several participants express a desire for accurate technical data, including the effective surface area of the engine in contact with air, to improve their estimates.
  • Another participant reiterates the challenges in providing a definitive answer due to the lack of specific data and the complexities involved in the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the temperature of the air exiting the engine. There are multiple competing views regarding the feasibility of making accurate calculations and the necessary data required for such estimates.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on airflow dynamics, specific engine design, and the absence of empirical data for precise calculations. The discussion highlights the complexities involved in estimating the temperature of air exiting the engine.

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what is the temperature of air after it has passed through the fins in an air cooled diesel engine for an automobile of 100HP?
 
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how can it be impossible? you only need to find the rate of heat rejected to the air, temperature of incoming air(say atmospheric temperature) and the specific heat of air.
 
It critically depends on the details of the airflow, which determines how efficently the heat is transferred from the metal to the engine.
To do this you need computational fluid dynamics which models the air flow in a computer - and even then it is only an approximation.

You can get a ball park guess from:
The efficency of the engine, this determines how much of the 100Hp is going into heat.
The specific heat of the air (as you say)
The rate of air flow past the engine which also controls how long the air is contact with the fins and so how much energy is transferred
The input air temperature
 
30.47 degrees Celsius.
 
could you also tell me where i could get such information?
 
You can make some estimates.
The heat capacity of a diatomic gas is around 20 J/kg/K
1 litre of air has a mass of about 1.2g, so each litre/s carrys away 0.024 J/K
Or in more common units, 1 CFM is about 0.5l/s so each cfm takes away 0.012J for each deg C rise in temperature.

The engine is 100Hp = 75KW and asumming a diesel engine is 50% efficent, half this energy goes in heat, so 35000 J/s.

Now what temperature the engine reaches depends on how much air is blowing past. If there was only a gentle breeze that air would have to heat up to an incredible temperature to take all the heat - higher than the temperature of the engine, which is impossible. Alternatively if you pushed a huge amount of air past the engine it would only have to heat up a little bit to carry away all the heat.

eg .to keep the engine less than 100deg above air temprature you would have to blow 35000 /0.024 = 1.5M litre/s past it
 
could i know the surface area of engine in contact with the air? it would really help if i find someplace where i could find the accurate technical data and not just estimates.
 
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could i know the surface area of engine in contact with the air? it would really help if i find someplace where i could find the accurate technical data and not just estimates.

Your best hope would be to contact the manufacturer.

CS
 
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allright then, could anyone tell me estimated effective surface area(with fins and all) of engine in contact with air in an typical air-cooled 100hp diesel engine?
 
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chhitiz said:
how can it be impossible?
Two reasons. The first is the complexities mgb mentioned (his answer: find it experimentally). The second is that you provided no data whatsoever from which to calculate anything!
 

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