What Factors Influence the Lifetimes of He S=1,0 States in Quantum Mechanics?

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The discussion revolves around the lifetimes of S=1 and S=0 states in helium, specifically focusing on the implications of electron spin states and their energy differences. Participants explore the quantum mechanical aspects of these states, including their lifetimes and the factors influencing them.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the physical interpretation of the energy difference between S=1 and S=0 states, suggesting that parallel spins being energetically favorable may explain the lower energy of S=1 states.
  • Another participant mentions an energy contribution due to spins, indicating that parallel spins yield a negative energy contribution, while opposite spins do not.
  • References to specific decay lifetimes for various states are provided, including lifetimes for transitions in helium and hydrogen ions.
  • There is a clarification that the lifetimes discussed pertain to helium ions rather than the helium atom itself, indicating a distinction in the relevance of the data presented.
  • One participant draws an analogy between the hydrogen atom and the helium ion, suggesting that similar principles may apply to their respective lifetimes.
  • There is a disagreement regarding the applicability of certain lifetime values to helium atoms versus helium ions, with some participants emphasizing the importance of the electron count in these systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of certain lifetime values to helium atoms versus helium ions, indicating a lack of consensus on the applicability of the discussed lifetimes.

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Participants reference specific decay lifetimes and energy contributions but do not resolve the assumptions or definitions regarding the lifetimes of the states in question. The discussion remains focused on the implications of these lifetimes without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Readers interested in quantum mechanics, particularly those studying atomic states, electron interactions, and decay processes in multi-electron systems may find this discussion relevant.

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Hey,

I have question on Helium with one electron in it's ground state orbital 1s and the other in the 2s orbital. We have S=1 states referring to the spin symmetric triplet state and S=0 referring to the spin antisymmetric singlet state, due to quantum effects of the electron-electron interactions we find that the energy of S=1 state and S=0 states are split by the direct and exchange components of the energy correction.

We find that S=1 states, where the spins are parallel, have lower energies than S=0 states - not sure of the physical interpretation of this - I'm guessing it's just because it's energetically favourable to have parallel spins further apart than having opposing spins in the same orbital.

Anyway, the S=1 states and S=0 states have very different lifetimes but I'm not sure what is meant by 'lifetimes' and why the lifetimes are different?

Thanks for any help,
SK
 
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there is an energy part due to spins containing S1.S2 which will give negative contribution to energy when spins are parallel and opposite for other.Can you tell where you have seen the lifetimes for them?(it is meant to be for decay)
 
Phys.Rev. 180 (69) 25-32
Phys.Rev.Lett. 26 (71) 681-684

23S1 -> 11S0 t=8000 sec
21S0 -> 11S0 t=19.5 msec
 
Have you seen it is for helium ion,it's o.k. for them.
 
I don't know value for helium ion, for hydrogen atom:
22S1/2 -> 12S1/2 t= 2 msec
 
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ycheff said:
I don't know value for helium ion, for hydrogen atom:
I said that values are for helium ion,not for helium atom.
 
Hydrogen atom (H I) is analog of helium ion (He II).
For He II:
22S1/2 -> 12S1/2 t > 1 msec (Bull. Amer. Phys. Soc, 1962, v. 7, p. 258)
 
Oh no,I said For one electron atom it is useful.They are not for two electron atom as is helium atom.You seem to be more interested than O.P.
 

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