What Forces Act on a Mass Sliding Inside a Hoop?

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The problem involves a mass sliding inside a hoop, focusing on the forces acting on the mass at a specific angle. The subject area includes dynamics and circular motion, particularly examining the forces involved when the mass is at an angle of 27 degrees.

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  • Participants discuss the energy conservation approach and the forces acting on the mass, including the need to consider gravitational forces in addition to the centripetal force due to circular motion.

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Some participants have pointed out the oversight regarding the gravitational force acting on the mass. There is an ongoing exploration of how to incorporate this force into the calculations, with suggestions to consider the component of gravitational force normal to the hoop's surface.

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The problem is constrained by the assumption of negligible friction and the specific angle at which the forces are being analyzed. Participants are questioning the completeness of the initial calculations and the role of gravitational forces in the context of circular motion.

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Homework Statement

A mass M of 5.20E-1 kg slides inside a hoop of radius R=1.40 m with negligible friction. When M is at the top, it has a speed of 5.27 m/s. Calculate size of the force with which the M pushes on the hoop when M is at an angle of 27.0 degrees.

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The attempt at a solution

E at the top of the circle should equal the energy at that particular part of the circle. So,

mg(2r) + (1/2)mvtop2 = mg(r-rcosθ) + (1/2)mv^2
m's cancel, so
g(2r) + (1/2)vtop2 = g(r-rcosθ) + (1/2)v^2
2(g(2r) + (1/2)vtop2 - g(r-rcosθ) = v^2

a = v^2/r

F = ma


When I plug everything in, I get
2(39.831) = v^2
v^2 = 79.66

a = 79.66/1.4
a = 56.90

F = (.52)(56.90)
F = 29.59 N

This answer is incorrect.

Please, can someone let me know where I'm going wrong?
 

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You've calculated the force due to the circular motion, but what other force is also working on the mass?
 
gneill said:
You've calculated the force due to the circular motion, but what other force is also working on the mass?

Okay. I'm forgetting the force of gravity acting on the mass, aren't I?

Should I add mgcosθ to my answer? Is that all I'm missing?
 
Becca93 said:
Okay. I'm forgetting the force of gravity acting on the mass, aren't I?

Should I add mgcosθ to my answer? Is that all I'm missing?

That looks right. Since the hoop has "negligible friction", only the component of the force due to gravity that is normal to the hoop's surface should matter -- the other component acts to accelerate the mass tangentially.
 

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