Discussion Overview
The discussion revolves around the best mathematical function to fit the CO2 doubling curve, particularly in relation to temperature response and radiative forcing calculations. Participants explore various models and equations, including logarithmic functions, to represent the relationship between CO2 concentration and temperature increase.
Discussion Character
- Exploratory
- Technical explanation
- Debate/contested
- Mathematical reasoning
Main Points Raised
- Some participants reference the IPCC's figure of 1.2°C as the direct response to a doubling of CO2 from 280 ppm to 560 ppm, questioning if the logarithmic equation used is the best fit for this curve.
- Others argue that calculating the direct response requires understanding radiative forcing, which involves complex factors such as different wavelengths, temperature and pressure variations, and the influence of other greenhouse gases.
- A participant mentions that the outgoing infrared radiation would be reduced by about 4 Wm−2 with an instantaneous doubling of CO2, suggesting a temperature increase of approximately 1.1 K based on their calculations.
- Some participants propose that the logarithmic function fits the temperature response within a ±10% margin, while questioning if there are better fitting functions available.
- A later reply presents an exact computation formula for temperature increase based on CO2 concentration, asserting that logarithms can be used with any base and that the idea of CO2 doubling is based on the proportionality of radiative forcing to the logarithm of CO2 concentration.
Areas of Agreement / Disagreement
Participants express varying opinions on the appropriateness of the logarithmic function for fitting the CO2 doubling curve, with some supporting its use and others questioning its adequacy. There is no consensus on a definitive best fit function, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal approach.
Contextual Notes
Some calculations presented rely on specific assumptions about the conditions under which CO2 doubling occurs, and the complexity of radiative forcing calculations is acknowledged as a limitation in determining the best fitting function.