What Happens If You Travel Beyond the Edge of the Universe?

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The discussion explores theoretical concepts related to the edge of the universe, faster-than-light (FTL) travel, and the nature of black hole singularities. It includes questions about the implications of these ideas for understanding time, space, and the structure of the universe.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question what would happen if a spaceship could travel faster than the universe's expansion and attempt to go beyond its "edge," with one participant suggesting it might crash into a boundary.
  • Another participant argues that the question is flawed because the universe is considered to have no edge.
  • There is a discussion about whether accessing a video feed from a satellite one light year away could allow viewing the past, with differing opinions on the implications of FTL signals.
  • One participant notes that the image received from the satellite would be two years old, while another suggests it could be one year old depending on the method of transmission.
  • Concerns are raised about the nature of black hole singularities, with some participants suggesting they are points in spacetime, while others argue that they may not be points due to properties like angular momentum.
  • A participant introduces the concept of a Kerr Ring Singularity, describing it as a spinning singularity that collapses into a thin ring with zero height.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of the universe's edge and the implications of FTL travel. There is no consensus on the nature of black hole singularities, with multiple competing models and interpretations presented.

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Participants acknowledge limitations in understanding the implications of FTL signals and the nature of singularities, with some expressing doubts about mainstream models.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring theoretical physics, cosmology, and the nature of black holes, as well as individuals curious about the implications of advanced concepts in mathematics and physics.

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The first two are theoretical. Please excuse grammatical and spelling errors.

If you had a spaceship at the edge of the universe, and this spaceship could travel faster than the universe is expanding, what would happened if you tried to travel outside its boarder? Would you crash into the boarder like a brick wall?

If you had a satellite one light year away, that had amazing video capabilities so much so that when pointed at the Earth you could see people moving. And somehow you were able to access this video feed faster than the speed of light, would this be a mechanism for looking into the past?

I heard that black holes are much like the concept of a mathematical singularity. The center (if you will) of a singularity is a point. Are the center of black holes points (in the Euclidean sense "that which has no part") or does the center have some substance.
 
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Diffy said:
If you had a spaceship at the edge of the universe, and this spaceship could travel faster than the universe is expanding, what would happened if you tried to travel outside its boarder? Would you crash into the boarder like a brick wall?
This is a very common question here. The question is flawed because the universe has no edge.
If you had a satellite one light year away, that had amazing video capabilities so much so that when pointed at the Earth you could see people moving. And somehow you were able to access this video feed faster than the speed of light, would this be a mechanism for looking into the past?
Well, I guess. I suppose the tooth fairy could exist too if we decide to just say she exists. I'm not sure what the point of such questions is...
I heard that black holes are much like the concept of a mathematical singularity. The center (if you will) of a singularity is a point. Are the center of black holes points (in the Euclidean sense "that which has no part") or does the center have some substance.
I'm not sure if that is really known, but perhaps someone else has some insight...
 
The image you received from the satellite would be 2 years old [earth time].
 
Chronos said:
The image you received from the satellite would be 2 years old [earth time].

He's talking about accessing the video feed with an FTL signal, so I think the images would be 1 year old. However, Diffy, if you just let the sattelite beam the signal back to Earth, then the video would be one year old. OTOH, if the sattelite were in LEO, you could just wait a yearto watch the film. Any stored video image is a way of looking into the past.

he cventer of a BH is indeed believed to be a singularity, so named because it is a single point is spacetime. I have my doubts about this conclusion, but the maintream seems to use this as the model, at least when describing Black Holes to the laity.
 
Thanks all,

I really love this stuff, I wish I could take some classes to learn more. Do you know if there are any astronomical jobs one could be qualified for with a PhD in Mathematics? What would they entail?
 
A black hole singularity is most often not a point. Stars spin and thus have a property called angular momentum. Angular momentum cannot be lost or destroyed. A point cannot exhibit rotation and cannot therefore have angular momentum. Roy Kerr realized this and solved Einstein’s field equations for a spinning singularity, now called a Kerr Ring Singularity. The mass of a spinning star collapses into a thin ring with the diameter of the Planck scale and zero height, i.e., a space with zero volume.
 

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