What Happens to Gases in Space and How Do They Behave?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of gases in space, exploring how they interact under the influence of gravity and pressure. Participants consider the formation of structures like planets and stars from gas clouds, as well as the conditions that allow gases to persist in space.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that gases in space can form structures held together by gravity, countered by internal pressure.
  • It is suggested that if self-gravity overcomes internal pressure, gases may collapse into denser structures like planets and stars.
  • Others argue that high internal pressure can prevent collapse, resulting in clouds of plasma, atoms, or molecules.
  • The condition for cloud collapse is referred to as the Jeans instability, with a suggestion to consult external resources for further understanding.
  • There is a question about the possibility of a large region of space being comprised purely of gas, with some participants reflecting on the early universe as an example.
  • One participant emphasizes the expansion of gas in a vacuum, suggesting it would create a sparse area of gas rather than a dense one.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of Jeans length, discussing how it relates to the critical size of gas clouds before collapse, and provides examples of interstellar molecular clouds.
  • There is a clarification that the space between stars is not a complete vacuum, noting the presence of varying densities of the interstellar medium and the role of electromagnetic forces in hotter gases.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the behavior of gases in space, particularly concerning the conditions under which they can collapse into denser structures versus remaining as diffuse clouds. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include varying definitions of "huge" in relation to gas regions, and the complexity of factors influencing gas behavior, such as temperature, density, and the presence of electromagnetic forces.

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What happens to gases in space?

Do they just dissapear? (Yes yes, yawn) Or can they make up a region of space, and stick together via gravity?

And what about Jupiter and other gas giants? How do they work, if in space, all gases tend to just shoot out and spread into an even film?
 
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Gasses in space form structures held together by gravity and resisted by pressure.

If their self-gravity is high enough to overcome internal pressure, they collapse to form denser structures - such as planets and stars.

If their internal pressure is too high (e.g. because the gas is hot, and/or there isn't that much of it in the first place), they remain as clouds of plasma, atoms, or molecules.

The condition for cloud collapse is called the Jeans instability. Wikipedia has a good article on it.
 
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Bandersnatch said:
Gasses in space form structures held together by gravity and resisted by pressure.

If their self-gravity is high enough to overcome internal pressure, they collapse to form denser structures - such as planets and stars.

If their internal pressure is too high (e.g. because the gas is hot, and/or there isn't that much of it in the first place), they remain as clouds of plasma, atoms, or molecules.

The condition for cloud collapse is called the Jeans instability. Wikipedia has a good article on it.

But it is possible for there to be a huge region of space comprised purely of gas? (That lasts, outside of longterm redshift, decay, etc)
 
What does 'huge' mean?

In any case, that's what the whole universe was like before the first stars formed, so I guess that's huge enough.
 
Bandersnatch said:
What does 'huge' mean?

In any case, that's what the whole universe was like before the first stars formed, so I guess that's huge enough.

Yep, good enough for me.

No I say huge because, again, since the gas expands so much when exposed to zero pressure and vacuum, I would expect it to be a huge area of sparse, but nevertheless "packed" gas. And it would probably be in the middle of nowhere since otherwise it'd get stuck to a planet.
 
Look up the Jeans instability equations, and specifically Jeans length. It relates the critical radius of a cloud depending on particle mass, gas density, and temperature.
You can then try plugging in various values and see what is the critical size of the cloud (before it collapses).
For interstellar molecular clouds, whose eventual collapse triggers stellar formation, and which are extremely tenuous by Earth standards (on the order of ~10^5 particles per cm^3, similar to industrial-grade vacuum, or 'atmosphere' density on the Moon), the clouds can reach hundreds of light-years in size.

Below is an example of a smaller one, mere 25 ly across, that you can see with your naked eyes on a dark night.
300px-Orion_Nebula_-_Hubble_2006_mosaic_18000.jpg

Stars are already forming in its densest regions, heating up the surrounding gas and dust.
 
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Anon5000 said:
No I say huge because, again, since the gas expands so much when exposed to zero pressure and vacuum
The space between the stars is not a hard vacuum though. The interstellar medium is has between one atom in a cubic meter to a million in a cubic centimeter. Hotter gasses also tend to be ionized, so in that case, EM forces can play a role as well as gravity.
 

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