What happens to gaussian white noise when derived in continuous time?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of deriving Gaussian white noise in continuous time, particularly in the context of signal processing where noise is present alongside a signal. Participants explore the theoretical implications of this operation on the statistical properties of the noise, including its mean and variance, as well as its behavior in the frequency domain.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the differentiability of true white noise due to its infinite power spectral density and suggests that real-world noise is likely band-limited, which may be differentiable.
  • Another participant notes that differentiating in the frequency domain could be a valid approach, indicating that the phase of the noise remains random.
  • A participant confirms that the noise is band-limited and discusses the implications of differentiating flat white noise in the frequency domain, suggesting that the derivative may have infinite power if the noise is not band-limited.
  • One participant states that the spectrum of the derivative of any signal is proportional to the frequency times the transform of the signal, implying that a peaked spectrum shifts toward higher frequencies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the differentiability of Gaussian white noise and its statistical properties after differentiation. There is no consensus on the exact nature of the derivative's statistical behavior or its implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations regarding the assumptions of band-limited versus true white noise and the mathematical definitions of the statistical properties of the derivative.

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Hello,

I've got a problem where a recording signal is a signal + gaussian white noise (quite classic). I derive this signal and while I know the theoretical result of the derivative of the noiseless signal, but I can't figure out what happens to the noise after the operation.

So, basically, what happens to gaussian white noise if you derive it (in continuous time)? Will the result be statically gaussian? something else? What will be the variance and mean?

The goal of the problem is to perform detection of events in white noise, and the derivative is used to increase the SNR of the event.

Thanks for any help,

Jonathan
 
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True white noise has infinite power spectral density and no maximum frequency. I'm not a mathematician but that's probably not differentiable. Bandlited white noise is probably what you have on the real world an that is differentiable.
 
Opps, it's gaussian. You can differentiate in the frequency domain. The phase will continue to be random.
 
Hello,

Off course, the noise is band-limited, as is the differentiator circuit.

I didn't think of looking at the problem in the frequency domain. If the white noise is flat in frequency domain, then its derivative will be linear. This also confirms that if the noise isn't band-limited, its derivative will have infinite power.

However, this doesn't give me the statistical properties of the derivative, it may hint that they aren't mathematically defined though.

Thanks for your help,

Jonathan
 
For any signal, the spectrum of the derivative is ω times the transform of the signal, i.e. ω·F(ω). So any peaked spectrum gets shifted toward higher frequencies.
 

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