What happens to infinitesimal time in path integral

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of infinitesimal time (\(\Delta t\)) in the context of the path integral formulation of quantum mechanics, as presented in Ballentine's text. Participants explore the implications of taking limits in the formulation and the mathematical rigor involved in defining functional integrals.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how \(\Delta t\) behaves in the expression \(\left(\frac{m}{2\pi i\hbar\Delta t}\right)^{\frac{N+1}{2}}\) as \(N\) approaches infinity and \(\Delta t\) approaches zero.
  • Another participant suggests that \(\Delta t\) is incorporated into the definition of the functional integral.
  • A further response indicates that while the limit leads to an infinite product, the expectation is that the final result remains finite, although convergence of the path integral is often not rigorously proven.
  • One participant mentions that performing the integrations before taking the limit can yield a finite and well-defined result in specific cases, such as for a free particle or harmonic oscillator.
  • Another participant introduces the idea of deep mathematical issues surrounding the definition of path integrals, referencing advanced mathematical concepts like Hida distributions and their connection to stochastic processes.
  • There is a mention of the relationship between modern quantum mechanics formalism and Rigged Hilbert Spaces, suggesting a deeper significance that remains unclear.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of \(\Delta t\) and the convergence of the path integral. While some propose that the limit can yield finite results, others highlight the unresolved mathematical complexities involved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion touches on the limitations of rigorously defining functional integrals and the assumptions underlying the convergence of path integrals, which remain unresolved.

Ravi Mohan
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Hi,

I am studying path integral formulation from Ballentine. Till equation 4.50, I follow quiet well.
<br /> G(x,t;x_0,t_0) = \lim_{N \to \infty}\int\ldots\int\left(\frac{m}{2\pi i\hbar\Delta t}\right)^{\frac{N+1}{2}}\exp{\sum_{j=0}^{N}\left(\frac{im(x_{j+1}-x_j)^2}{2\hbar\Delta t}-V(x_j)\right)}dx_1\ldots dx_N<br />

I also follow that in continuum limit, summation converts to integral (argument of exponent). I am wondering what happens to the \Delta t in the expression \left(\frac{m}{2\pi i\hbar\Delta t}\right)^{\frac{N+1}{2}}.
 
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It goes into the definition of functional integral
 
I am sorry, I was not clear enough. In the continuum limit, N tends to infinity and \Delta t tends to zero. From the given expression, the limit amounts to infinity (there is no indeterminate form) so how come we get a finite number?
 
The situation is a little bit more complicated. When you define the functional integral taking the N\to \infty limit (i.e. \Delta t\to 0), you also define a "functional measure":
$$
\left(\sqrt{\frac{m}{2\pi i\hbar \Delta t}}\right)^N\int \prod_{i=0}^N dx_i \to \int \mathcal{D}x.
$$
The hope is that taking the product of an infinite number of integral divided by an infinitesimal quantity the final result is finite. Anyway, most of the times the actual convergenge of the path integral cannot be proved.
 
And if you actually carry out the ##N## integrations before taking the limit (which you can do explicitly in special cases such as a free particle or a harmonic oscillator), you find that the final result is finite and well-defined in the limit.
 
There are deep mathematical issues involved here.

Rigorously one must go to some some advanced math such as Hida distributions to take care of them:
http://arxiv.org/abs/0805.3253

This isn't the only area that has this problem (ie rigorously defining such integrals). Path integrals are the same as the Wiener integral but in imaginary time. Because of that there is a close connection between stochastic white noise theory and path integrals at the mathematical level:
http://mathlab.math.scu.edu.tw/mp/pdf/S20N41.pdf

Interestingly both the modern mathematical formalism of QM and Hida distributions make extensive use of Rigged Hilbert Spaces. That may be trying to tell us something important - but exactly what -:confused: :confused::confused::confused:

Thanks
Bill
 
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