What happens to teh air pressure when a fan is used?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the effects of a fan on air pressure, exploring the relationship between air velocity and pressure changes in various contexts, including theoretical and practical applications. Participants examine concepts from fluid dynamics, particularly Bernoulli's principle, and the behavior of air in different conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference Bernoulli's principle, suggesting that increased air velocity results in decreased pressure, while others challenge the application of this principle in the context of a fan.
  • One participant notes that a fan increases static pressure at its outlet and may decrease it slightly at the inlet.
  • Another participant describes a fan as a low-pressure compressor, indicating that it can produce a static pressure rise, albeit small.
  • A question is raised about the pressure drop when air moves through a tube at a certain speed, with a participant suggesting that energy loss due to resistance and turbulence affects pressure.
  • There is a suggestion to use an additional blower to maintain pressure and a reference to a technical paper for calculating pressure drops in pipelines.
  • Some participants discuss the conditions under which Bernoulli's principle can be applied, noting the importance of the reference frame and the steady state of the system.
  • One participant proposes that within a closed system, the pressure will increase according to the conservation of energy law.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application of Bernoulli's principle and the effects of a fan on air pressure, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the system, noting that factors such as tube size, length, and resistance play significant roles in pressure changes, and that assumptions about steady state conditions may not hold in all scenarios.

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Ok. so say you have a fan that is moving air, at 1 atm, at about 10 m/s. what exactly happens to the pressure? does it change at all or...?
 
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Well, according to Bernoulli, the faster a fluid flows, the lower the pressure. Does that answer your question?
 
A fan increases the static pressure on it's outlet and can also decrease the static pressure on the inlet slightly.
 
Along what Q_Goest mentioned...

Even though very slight in comparrison, a fan is technically a compressor. The static pressure rise is usually in the order of inches of water. A lot of jet engine manufacturers (including my company) will sometimes refer to the fan as a low pressure compressor.
 
hmm...so if you had something at like 30psi (just a number here..) and used a fan to increase the speed through a straight tube, the pressure would drop...
a) is there anyway to increase this pressure again (with the air still moving at the speed it was before
b) how could i calculate how much it drops?
 
Put an additional blower inline. Depending upon your final downstream pressure(if atmosphere) there may be choked flow in the pipeline. Crane Technical Paper 410 is a good resource for calculating pressure drops in pipe lines and accessories and worth to have it at 40USD.
 
infamous - you're crossing contexts here, morry's post isn't clear on this either as you are not in a steady state condition.

If you have air moving in a tube and that tube changes size then the air's speed and pressure would change to correspond to it.

If you add energy to the air with a fan you can increase both its speed and pressure.

As the air encounters resistance from the tube walls (and turbulence) some of its energy will be lost and thus the pressure will drop as a result. The longer and smaller the tube the larger this effect would be.
 
morry said:
Well, according to Bernoulli, the faster a fluid flows, the lower the pressure. Does that answer your question?

Bernoulli cannot be applied along a streamline which passes through a fan in motion, unless your reference frame is attached to the rotor.

As Qgoest and CliffJ have said, the fan increases both velocity and pressure air. But it is certain too that the whole stuff is embeded in an uniform pressure atmosphere. The jump of pressure is very slow, and such pressure energy will be dissipated along the fan weak.
 
I think the simplest answer will be " the pressure will increase if we take the fan and it's surrounding as a closed system as per energy conservation law
 

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