What happens to the Hamiltonian of the wave function after measurement?

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The discussion centers around the behavior of the Hamiltonian of a wave function during and after a measurement in quantum mechanics. Participants explore the implications of measurement on kinetic and potential energy, energy conservation, and the interaction between the measured system and the measuring device.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the kinetic and potential energy of the wave function dissipates, is conserved, or changes during measurement.
  • Another participant asserts that energy is conserved in both classical and quantum physics, referencing Noether's Theorem, and claims that measurement does not change this conservation.
  • A participant seeks clarification on whether the total energy of the system shifts after measurement and if it disperses into the environment of the measuring apparatus.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the measurement process involves a physical interaction between the atom and the measuring device, maintaining total energy conservation and suggesting that the global Hamiltonian remains constant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the principle of energy conservation during measurement, but there are competing views regarding whether the energy shifts or changes in any way, and how the Hamiltonian behaves in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the specifics of energy distribution and the behavior of the Hamiltonian before and after measurement, indicating a need for further clarification on these points.

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As I understand it, the Hamiltonian is the kinetic plus the potential energy of the wave function. When a measurement is done what happens to the kinetic and potential energy?

Does it dissipate? Is it conserved in the measured state? Does it decrease?

Does the Hamilton or kinetic+Potential energy of the system(wave function) change when it is measured? Does the energy decrease and is transferred to the measuring device, does the energy increase and then the energy of the measuring device would decrease or does everything stay the same and there's no change of energy for the system or the measuring device?

Thanks
 
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Energy is conserved in classical and quantum physics. There is a powerful theorem that is in fact the modern conception of energy, called Noethers Theorem, that guarantees this:
http://www.physics.ucla.edu/~cwp/articles/noether.asg/noether.html

Measurement in no way changes this. Most of the time in QM measurement, what you are measuring is destroyed - but energy is still conserved. Even if it isn't destroyed the total energy (what is observed and the observing apparatus) is not affected.

Specifically in QM operators have no average rate of change if they commute with the Hamiltonian. Since, obviously, the Hamiltonian commutes with itself, there is no average gain or loss of the Hamiltonian.

The twist of course in QM is this on the average thing - which is all you can predict in QM.

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Bill
 
@bhobba, thanks for the response.

This is what I thought, the energy is conserved but does it change or a better word would be does it shift? Does the total energy of the system shift after a measurement occurs. Is the energy dispersed in the environment of the measuring apparatus? Does the total energy shift to the particle after measurement?

Where does the total energy of the system go after measurement? Does the wave function that evolves after measurement share the same potential and kinetic energy of the wave function prior to measurement?

Thanks
 
In measuring an atom or any other object, you interact it with a measuring device.

The measurement process is a physical interaction between atom and device, where total energy is conserved.

To describe this process, you need a Hamiltonian that describes the atom, device, and their interaction.

It is this global Hamiltonian that is a constant of motion before and after the measurement.

Thus, the energy of the atom may shift after measurement, but this is accompanied by a corresponding shift in the energy of the measurement device (assuming atom plus device is a closed system).
 

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