What happens to the metals thrown into the soil?

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The discussion revolves around the fate of various metals and alloys when thrown into the soil, exploring concepts of decomposition, oxidation, and the environmental implications of these processes. Participants examine the chemical behavior of metals like iron, lead, gold, and others in soil conditions, including their interactions with water and bacteria.

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  • One participant questions whether bacteria can decompose metals and alloys like iron and gold, noting the complexity of understanding their behavior in soil.
  • Another participant explains that metals and alloys do not decompose in the same way organic materials do, as their inorganic compounds are already simple, but they can oxidize over time.
  • There is a query about the meaning of "insoluble salts" and whether iron can be converted into these salts or ionic forms.
  • Responses clarify that some iron salts are soluble, but iron typically oxidizes to Fe(III), forming hydroxides that do not dissolve in water.
  • Participants discuss the nature of rust and its components, questioning whether they are beneficial for soil and why iron does not oxidize while in ore form.
  • It is noted that iron ores are already oxidized, which explains their reddish color, leading to further inquiries about the recycling of oxidized iron.
  • Smelting is mentioned as the process used to produce iron from its ores, with coke being added to bind oxygen.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of rust and oxidized iron for soil health, and there is no consensus on the benefits or drawbacks of these processes. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the complexities of metal behavior in soil.

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Limitations include the lack of clarity on the specific conditions under which metals oxidize in soil and the potential roles of various environmental factors in these processes.

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I wonder about what will happen to the metals and alloys such as iron, lead, argent, gold, mercury, cambium, steel, nickel, bronze when thrown into the soil. Can bacteria decompose them such as organic components? They were already under the soil before men picked them out. This is a very hard case for me to understand.

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Basically decomposition means "converting into simpler compounds" (often inorganic). The inorganic compounds in metals and alloys are already quite simple, so there is nothing to decompose. They will slowly get oxidized though (mostly by natural processes not involving any life forms) till they got the most stable (thermodynamically) form, For some that means conversion into insoluble salts or oxides, for some it means being converted into ionic form, for others (like gold) the most stable form is elemental.
 
Borek said:
Basically decomposition means "converting into simpler compounds" (often inorganic). The inorganic compounds in metals and alloys are already quite simple, so there is nothing to decompose. They will slowly get oxidized though (mostly by natural processes not involving any life forms) till they got the most stable (thermodynamically) form, For some that means conversion into insoluble salts or oxides, for some it means being converted into ionic form, for others (like gold) the most stable form is elemental.

What does "insoluble salts" mean used above? Does it related to water solution? Can iron (Fe) be converted into these salts? Or it will turn into ionic forms?

https://sites.google.com/site/inter...lis-and-salts/4---soluble-and-insoluble-salts

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Yes, insoluble in water. Some iron salts are soluble, but Fe in general gets quite fast oxidized to Fe(III) and precipitates as a hydroxide, which in turn turns into hydrated oxide (which is the main, red component of rust) and doesn't dissolve in water.
 
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Borek said:
Yes, insoluble in water. Some iron salts are soluble, but Fe in general gets quite fast oxidized to Fe(III) and precipitates as a hydroxide, which in turn turns into hydrated oxide (which is the main, red component of rust) and doesn't dissolve in water.

Are the rust and its main part hydroxide advantagous for the soil and nature? Why does not iron become oxided when its in the ore before men picked it out?

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mech-eng said:
Are the rust and its main part hydroxide advantagous for the soil and nature?

Mostly inert.

Why does not iron become oxided when its in the ore before men picked it out?

It already is oxidized, which is why most iron ores are reddish.
 
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It already is oxidized, which is why most iron ores are reddish.

But if iron ares are already oxidized how can men produce iron from them? And this implies that when the iron oxidized after being used, it can be recyclable. But oxidized iron would loss its oxidized parts. Reddish xxidized parts fall like how leaves fall in the autumn.

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mech-eng said:
But if iron ares are already oxidized how can men produce iron from them?
By smelting. That's what coke is added for - to bind the oxygen.

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And this implies that when the iron oxidized after being used, it can be recyclable.
That's what they're doing here:
 
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