What happens when bosons become distinguishable?

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This discussion centers on the behavior of bosons under high density and low temperature conditions, specifically regarding their distinguishability when observed with ultrafast tomographic imaging systems. It concludes that even with high-resolution imaging, the equilibrium distribution of bosons remains governed by Bose-Einstein statistics rather than transitioning to a Boltzmann distribution. The inability to track individual bosons in a dense system is emphasized, as the necessary conditions for distinguishability are not met. The conversation highlights the theoretical limitations of observing bosons in such states.

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Assuming a system of bosons at high density and low temperature so that they obey Bose-Einstein statistics. If one had a high resolution, ultrafast tomographic imaging system that would allow to track every particle in this system and therefore make the particles distinguishable, what would happen to the equlibrium distribution for this system? Would the BE-distribution be replaced by a Boltzmann distribution as soon as the particles are imaged?
 
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Philip Koeck said:
If one had a high resolution, ultrafast tomographic imaging system that would allow to track every particle in this system and therefore make the particles distinguishable

It wouldn't. You would be making position measurements of particles at very short time intervals, yes; but you would not be able to deduce from this data which particles in the measurements at time ##t## corresponded to which particles in the measurements at time ##t + \epsilon##. When physicists talk about being able to "track" particular particles in measurements (for example, in cloud chambers or bubble chambers), they are talking about cases where there are only a small number of particles that are sufficiently separated spatially to be tracked individually. The system you are talking about does not meet that requirement.
 
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PeterDonis said:
It wouldn't. You would be making position measurements of particles at very short time intervals, yes; but you would not be able to deduce from this data which particles in the measurements at time ##t## corresponded to which particles in the measurements at time ##t + \epsilon##. When physicists talk about being able to "track" particular particles in measurements (for example, in cloud chambers or bubble chambers), they are talking about cases where there are only a small number of particles that are sufficiently separated spatially to be tracked individually. The system you are talking about does not meet that requirement.
I am talking about a thought experiment so I don't need to limit myself to what is technically feasible. If one had a sufficiently fast camera, would the act of observing the particles change their equilibrium distribution?
 
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Philip Koeck said:
I am talking about a thought experiment so I don't need to limit myself to what is technically feasible.

It's not a matter of technical feasibility. There are no states of a boson gas at high density and low temperature that correspond to "individual bosons following trackable trajectories". But there would need to be such states for measurements to allow you to track individual bosons.
 
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