What happens when ethane absorbs UV light?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of UV light on ethane, particularly focusing on the excitation of electrons and the potential disintegration of the molecule into radicals. Participants explore the implications of electron transitions in bonding and anti-bonding orbitals, as well as the broader complexities involved in photodissociation processes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how the bond between carbon atoms in ethane can exist if an electron transitions from a bonding orbital to an anti-bonding orbital due to UV light excitation.
  • Another participant suggests looking into the literature on photodissociation of ethane, indicating that ethene can disintegrate into different particles when subjected to similar conditions.
  • A participant notes that excitation of electrons in both C-H and C-C bonds can lead to disintegration and the formation of radicals.
  • Complexity is highlighted, with emphasis on the importance of the molecular structure and phase (gas, liquid, solid) during the process, as well as the nature of the excited states involved.
  • Reference is made to Ahmed Zewail's work on photodissociation, illustrating the dependence of dynamics on molecular interactions with surrounding media.
  • Clarification is made that the mention of ethene was incorrect, and the focus is intended to remain on ethane.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the effects of UV light on ethane, with no consensus reached on the specifics of the processes involved or the implications of the findings discussed.

Contextual Notes

The discussion acknowledges the complexity of the topic, including the need for careful consideration of molecular structure, phase, and excited states, which may influence the outcomes of UV exposure.

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I have a molecule of ethane and when I use UV light, the molecule absorb it, so ethane's electron excitates from HOMO to LUMO. But what happens to the molecule? Does the sigma bond C-C still exist?
Because when I have two carbon atoms, they create a single bond, so their two electrons are in one boding orbital, but I have also one anti-bonding orbital here. And when the electron excitates from ##\sigma## to ##\sigma^*##, how can the bond between the carbon atoms exist? It has to disappear. But what happens next? Does the UV light affect also bonds C-H?
 
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Have you conducted a search of the literature? For example on the photodissociation of ethane.
 
Hyperfine said:
Have you conducted a search of the literature? For example on the photodissociation of ethane.
I found out that ethene can disintegrate into different particles, so my ideal should be right. And it is caused by the excitation of an electron of the molecule, so it can happen that electron in bonding orbital of C-H excitates into an anti-bonding orbital as well as an electron in C-C bonding orbital excitates.

But in general, when we use UV light, the molecule disintegrates and radicals can arise for instance.
 
Lotto said:
But in general, when we use UV light, the molecule disintegrates and radicals can arise for instance.
Indeed, radicals can arise! That fact has been well documented for many decades.

However, you must realize that the topic is very broad and certainly not lacking in complexity. The structure of the initial molecule is very important as is the phase (gas, liquid, solid) in which the process takes place. And then there is the question of the nature of the excited states that are populated. All due care should be taken in considering generalizations.

As but one illustrative example, Ahmed Zewail and his group at Cal Tech pursued detailed investigations of the photodissociation of I2 in rare gas clusters utilizing femtosecond spectroscopic techniques. Who would have guessed that the dynamics would be dependent on the polarizabilty of the rare gas?

You have mentioned both ethane and ethene. Very different molecules with very different energy states. Which one of the two is particular interest to you?
 
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Hyperfine said:
Indeed, radicals can arise! That fact has been well documented for many decades.

However, you must realize that the topic is very broad and certainly not lacking in complexity. The structure of the initial molecule is very important as is the phase (gas, liquid, solid) in which the process takes place. And then there is the question of the nature of the excited states that are populated. All due care should be taken in considering generalizations.

As but one illustrative example, Ahmed Zewail and his group at Cal Tech pursued detailed investigations of the photodissociation of I2 in rare gas clusters utilizing femtosecond spectroscopic techniques. Who would have guessed that the dynamics would be dependent on the polarizabilty of the rare gas?

You have mentioned both ethane and ethene. Very different molecules with very different energy states. Which one of the two is particular interest to you?
That ethene was a mistake, I meant ethane.
 

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