What happens when hydrogen meets oxygen?

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The discussion revolves around the combustion characteristics of hydrogen when it interacts with oxygen, particularly in the context of designing a hydrogen-powered jet engine. Participants explore the ignition process, hydrogen production, storage, and the environmental implications of using hydrogen as a fuel.

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  • One participant inquires about whether hydrogen burns immediately upon contact with oxygen or requires an ignition source, expressing uncertainty about the combustion process.
  • Another participant states that a small amount of energy is needed to ignite hydrogen and oxygen, mentioning that they can coexist without igniting until a spark is introduced.
  • Some participants discuss the process of hydrogen production through electrolysis, noting that electricity is required to separate hydrogen from water.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the environmental impact of hydrogen production, particularly if the electricity used comes from non-renewable sources like coal.
  • There are discussions about the challenges of storing hydrogen due to its small molecular size, which can lead to issues like hydrogen embrittlement in materials.
  • Participants suggest that existing engine designs may be more practical for hydrogen use than attempting to modify traditional jet engines.
  • One participant mentions the potential for combining air-breathing rockets with pulse detonation engines, indicating a novel approach to aircraft design.
  • Safety precautions regarding hydrogen usage are emphasized, with references to the need for proper ignition mechanisms in engine testing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the best approach to using hydrogen as a fuel for jet engines, with multiple competing views on its feasibility, environmental impact, and safety concerns. Participants express differing opinions on the practicality of hydrogen-powered engines and the implications of hydrogen production methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in hydrogen storage and production methods, as well as the dependency on the source of electricity for hydrogen generation. Concerns about pollution from electricity generation and the potential hazards of hydrogen combustion are also noted.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring alternative fuel sources, aerospace engineering, environmental science, and those involved in hydrogen technology research.

  • #61
Silenced myself

Danger said:
Sorry, man, but the noise is an integral part of the 'outflow'. This is nothing like the exhaust from a piston engine. It's a very high volume of hot, fast-moving gas coming through a tuned nozzle. There are all sorts of harmonics and mechanical vibrations to deal with. A moderately sized engine (J-34, as used in drag racers) literally shakes the ground for hundreds of feet around it. The thing in Fred's picture is much smaller, but I bet it's probably at least half as noisy.
Yes I understood that point.
sid_galt said:
The noise will only cancel out at the point where the two waves interfere. Beyond that you'll still hear the noise.
Interference isn't the goal, cancellation is, then there is no more noise, but, as it is stated above, it would be diffcult, at best, I already knew that, so now, this thread seems to be getting 'hi-jacked' to this topic, so, as to discourage that, I will cease, now.
Thanks
 
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  • #62
hopefully testing it this weekend. it depends on how lazy my group members become
 
  • #63
Good luck, Ki. Keep us updated.
 
  • #64
hmm... before i test this i am going to ask the people something in the general physics section

if i ever become famous, my phrase that people are going to remember after i die is: it all started with a daydream
 
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  • #65
Lapin Dormant said:
Yes I understood that point.
Interference isn't the goal, cancellation is, then there is no more noise, but, as it is stated above, it would be diffcult, at best, I already knew that, so now, this thread seems to be getting 'hi-jacked' to this topic, so, as to discourage that, I will cease, now.
Thanks

According to your theory if two speakers attached to a hi-fi are placed in front of each other, the sound should diminish near completely. But that is not what happens. The sound energy can't disappear into the thin air.
 
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  • #66
Lapin Dormant said:
.. .. ..I will cease now .. .. ..

If you would like to start a new thread, the waves need be equal and Opposite each other, in waveform.
 
  • #68
okay, definitely testing it this weekend
 
  • #69
Ki, it appears that the stoned bunny has been banned, so perhaps this thread can stay more or less on topic now. Again, I offer my best wishes for the success of your project.:smile:
 
  • #70
me and my group members are hopefully meeting on saterday and going to home depot to buy the proper supplies hopefully unless one of them can't make it. again:cool:

ty for the suppor teven if it doesn't work. we are basically researching equalibrums in a sense, but different. if i told you my full idea, youd think i was crazy probably, but it just might work so i'll just keep it secret
 
  • #71
wow i haven't been here in a long time. schools keeping me busy sorry

anyways the testing of it failed. it was designed to be a loophole around themrodynamics/perpetual motion machine. well i came close, but these things can't be done on a 3 dollar budget

anyways now I'm reading up on eintsteins theories and the quest for a theory to the universe so that i can publish some papers on gravity eventually, but don't expect anything until after a few months at least for me to get anything worth done. right now its all research. and i dot have all the time in the world. I'm still in 8th grade so i have time being eaten up by english, math, history, band... this is going to take a looong time
 
  • #72
Don't sweat it, bud. Einstein was a wee bit older than you and it took him more than a couple of weeks. :biggrin:
 
  • #73
yep. and einstein failed algebra, dropped out of high school, got a job at the bottom of the foodchain in a patent office,:smile: then wormed his way into college, and thought up relativity.
 
  • #74
Yeah, he was a sneaky bastard. :biggrin:
 

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