What immediate effect should be there after vasoconstriction

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the immediate effects of vasoconstriction on blood pressure and blood flow, exploring the relationship between vascular resistance, cardiac output, and mean arterial pressure. Participants examine the applicability of analogies from electrical circuits to the cardiovascular system, while also addressing the complexities of physiological responses.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that changes in vascular resistance should lead to changes in blood flow, with blood pressure being influenced primarily by cardiac output.
  • Others argue that vasoconstriction, particularly through mechanisms like angiotensin II, increases systemic vascular resistance and thus elevates blood pressure.
  • A participant questions why arterial pressure changes instead of cardiac output when resistance increases, indicating a lack of clarity on the primary versus secondary effects of vasoconstriction.
  • Another participant emphasizes the distinction between primary responses (elevated blood pressure) and secondary responses (potential changes in heart rate due to baroreceptor reflexes) in the context of vasoconstriction.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the relationship between vascular resistance and blood pressure, citing support from various textbooks that align with their viewpoint.
  • There is a suggestion to consider the impedance of large arteries in relation to total resistance in the vascular circuit as a factor in understanding the effects of vasoconstriction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus, as there are competing views on the immediate effects of vasoconstriction on blood pressure and blood flow, with some emphasizing the role of cardiac output and others focusing on systemic vascular resistance.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the complexity of the cardiovascular regulatory network and the potential for secondary effects to influence primary responses, which are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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as we know vascular circuit is analogue to simple resistant circuit of resistance in parallel combination
and as the voltage in resistance circuit can only be changed by the battery and change in resistance follows change in current ,,,likewise change in resistance in vascular circuit should be followed by change in blood flow and except heart no other factor should change the systemic B.P
this theory is applicable in most of the cases like change in BP by sympathetic system during exercise AND also the local metabolite theory for vaso-dilation also support this ..
but i am confused about the vaso-constrictor effect of the angiotensin 2 in which change in peripheral resistance increases blood pressure???
 
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The ohms law correspodence is

Map ~ co x svr

Map = mean arterial pressure
Co = cardiac output
Svr = systemic vascular resistance

Symphatetic drive works by upregulation the sinoatrial node pacemaker cells -> increase heart rate.

And co = sv x heartrate
Sv = stroke volume unless svr or sv change

Angiotensin increase svr by vasoconstriction and thus increase blood presssure.

Maybe i didnt understand the question

/Fredrik
 
Actually in this formula if we increase the resistance then two factors can change either the cardiac output due to change in venous return or the arterial blood pressure
But i didnt understand which factor should change
Why arterial pressure changes in this conditon Why not cardiac output
 
Ok now i see the concern.

Yes the complete regulatory network for human are certainly more complex than some "ohms law" analogy and indeed many things can and do happen but one should distinguish between primary responses and secondary responses.

The purpose of the "Ohms law" analogy for the heart is to be a simple description only of the primary interconnections between co bp and svr.

The heart volume and rate will not instantly change due to a remote vasoconstriction, thus the primary effect is elevated blood pressure. Heart rate are primarily influenced by the sympathetic and parsymphatetic nervoussystems and hormones in the blood only.

Otoh, as secondary effects more complex things can happen. For example the elevated bp can trigger the baroreceptor reflex that will drop the heartrate by downregulating sa node, and thus lowering co. But this a secondary effect of sudden vasoconstriction not the primary one.

Understanding the full dynamic blood regulatory systems requires that one also understand the secondary effects and their interconnections. Which isn't trivial.
 
but according to my view there should be no such elevation of blood pressure as a primary effect of vasoconstriction because in vascular circuit all organs are arranged in parallel and if there is change in vascular resistance there should be change in blood flow only and only by altering the activity of heart can change the blood pressure
 
is there is some relation with impedance of large arteries and total resistance of vascular circuit with reference to answer of my question
please help me i have read a lot of books for this topic but still i am confused ..some book support my view about this topic like "boron" and "guyton"
 

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