What initial velocity is needed to reach the top of the Washington Monument?

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The discussion revolves around determining the initial velocity required for an object to reach the top of the Washington Monument, which is approximately 550 feet high. Participants explore various mathematical approaches to solve this problem, including kinematic equations and energy considerations.

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  • One participant introduces the kinematic equation for vertical motion, suggesting that the height can be expressed as \( f(t) = -16t^2 + V_0 t + S_0 \) and sets up the equation to find \( V_0 \).
  • Another participant clarifies that at maximum height, the velocity is zero, leading to the equation \( 0 = -32t + V_0 \), which implies \( V_0 = 32t \).
  • There is a discussion about finding the time \( t \) at which the object reaches maximum height, with one participant calculating \( t \) based on the height equation.
  • Another participant suggests using energy conservation principles, equating initial kinetic energy to final gravitational potential energy, leading to a different expression for \( V_0 \).
  • A participant shares a numerical solution obtained using a calculator, confirming an initial velocity of approximately 187.62 ft/s.

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Participants generally agree on the approach to solving the problem using both kinematic equations and energy considerations, but there is no consensus on a single method or final answer, as different participants present varying approaches and calculations.

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Some assumptions about the absence of air resistance and the specific conditions of the problem are not explicitly stated. The discussion also reflects uncertainty regarding the exact time \( t \) and its role in determining \( V_0 \).

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in physics, particularly those studying kinematics and energy conservation in projectile motion.

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With what initial velocity must an object be thrown upward (from ground level) to reach the top of the Washington Monument (approximately $550$ft.)

well since $f(t)=-16t^2+V_0 t+S_0$ then $550=f(t)$

also, that $f'(0)=V_0$ and $f''(t)=-32$

this is supposed to be solved by using integration but I don't see how this is done without knowing what $t$ is. any suggest?

answer is $187.617\frac{ft}{sec}$
 
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With $\displaystyle S_0=0$ we have:

$\displaystyle f(t)=-16t^2+v_0t$ and so:

$\displaystyle f'(t)=-32t+v_0$

What values do the function and its derivative have when the object has reached its desired maximum height?
 
well the object has $0$ velocity when it reaches max height and since $f'$ is the velocity
we set $0=-32t+V_0$ or $V_0=32t$ but still we have $t$ in this so am going the right direction,
 
Yes, you are doing well, now what is the value of $\displaystyle f(t)$ when the object reaches the maximum height?
 
MarkFL said:
Yes, you are doing well, now what is the value of $\displaystyle f(t)$ when the object reaches the maximum height?

max height is given at $550ft$ so $550=-16t^2+(32t)t=32t$ so then $t=5.86$

don't see how this helps if this is plugged back in anywhere(Speechless)
 
This gives you:

$\displaystyle -16t^2+32t^2=16t^2=550$

Solve this for t, then use this value in the formula you found for initial velocity as a function of t.

I know you are to solve this dynamically, but you could also use energy considerations, i.e, equate the initial kinetic energy to the final gravitational potential energy:

$\displaystyle \frac{1}{2}mv_0^2=mgh$

$\displaystyle v_0=\sqrt{32\cdot550}=40\sqrt{22}\,\frac{\text{ft}}{\text{s}}$
 
appreciate the help, now I see what is happening:cool:

well from the TI-nspire I got

$solve(-16t+vt=550,v) v=187.62 ft/s$ where $t=5.86$
 
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