Understanding 4-Tensors: Demystifying the Misconceptions

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The term "4-tensor" is often misunderstood as referring to a fourth rank tensor, but it actually denotes a tensor defined on a four-dimensional manifold. This confusion is noted among some users, prompting discussions about its correct interpretation. A 4-tensor is similar to a 4-vector, where its indices range over four values. The electric and magnetic fields can be viewed as 4-vectors within a specific inertial frame, emphasizing their geometric interpretation. Clarifying this terminology is essential for accurate understanding in fields like electrodynamics and relativity.
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what is a "4-tensor"?

Has anyone here thought at one time that the term "4-tensor" (aka "four tensor") was referring to a 4th rank tensor? Somone made this mistake and I'm, of course, curious as to how wide spread this misconception is.

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Pete
 
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I don't know that I've ever made the mistake, or even used the term "4-tensor." Is a 4-tensor a tensor whose indices range over four values?

- Warren
 
Originally posted by chroot
I don't know that I've ever made the mistake, or even used the term "4-tensor." Is a 4-tensor a tensor whose indices range over four values?

- Warren
Yes. It's a use which is similar to that of "4-vector" in that the tensor is defined on a 4d manifold. For examples of usage see

For online notes for details see --
www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell's_equations
farside.ph.utexas.edu/~rfitzp/teaching/jk1/lectures/node10.html
farside.ph.utexas.edu/~rfitzp/teaching/jk1/lectures/node13.html
farside.ph.utexas.edu/~rfitzp/teaching/jk1/lectures/node23.html
farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/jk1/relativity.pdf
cosmos.astroscu.unam.mx/~sergio/phdthesis/phdlatex2html/node17.html
www.hep.princeton.edu/~mcdonald/examples/fieldmomentum.pdf



Pete
 
Originally posted by chroot
I don't know that I've ever made the mistake, or even used the term "4-tensor." Is a 4-tensor a tensor whose indices range over four values?

- Warren
There are some interesting comments inThorne and Blanchard's new text. From Chapter 1: Physics in Flat Spacetime: Geometric
Viewpoint
- page 38-39
(http://www.pma.caltech.edu/Courses/ph136/yr2002/chap01/0201.2.pdf)
Evidently E is the electric field and B the magnetic field as measured in our chosen Lorentz frame.

This may be familiar from standard electrodynamics textbooks, e.g. Jackson(1999).

Not so familiar, but quite important, is the following geometric
interpretation of the electric and magnetic fields: E and B are spatial vectors as measured in the chosen inertial frame. We can also regard these quantities as 4-vectors that lie in the 3-surface of simultaneity t = const. of the chosen frame, i.e. that are orthogonal to the 4-velocity (denote it ~w) of the frame's observers (cf. Fig. 1.10).

If anyone knows of another source which discusses the E and B fields as 4-vectors can you please let me know - references etc.?

Thanks

Pete
 
I do not have a good working knowledge of physics yet. I tried to piece this together but after researching this, I couldn’t figure out the correct laws of physics to combine to develop a formula to answer this question. Ex. 1 - A moving object impacts a static object at a constant velocity. Ex. 2 - A moving object impacts a static object at the same velocity but is accelerating at the moment of impact. Assuming the mass of the objects is the same and the velocity at the moment of impact...

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