Understanding the Stress-Energy Tensor in Special Relativity

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The discussion focuses on understanding the stress-energy tensor in special relativity, specifically how to derive certain relations involving the tensor and its divergence properties. Participants explore the mathematical expressions related to the tensor and its implications for energy density and flux density, delving into the notation and operations involved.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on how to derive the gradient operator and divergence operator in the context of the stress-energy tensor, particularly in relation to a specific equation from Wikipedia.
  • Another participant provides a partial expansion of the divergence equation, suggesting it may serve as a clue for the original poster's query.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the notation of the divergence operator and its interpretation as a dot product versus a divergence operation, questioning the accuracy of the notation used in the equations.
  • Another participant agrees with the concern about the notation, suggesting that explicit indices are clearer and that the notation may be considered an abuse in this context.
  • One participant reassures another about their confusion regarding the appearance of the nabla symbol, indicating a shared uncertainty about the notation used.

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Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of the notation used for the divergence operator and its implications. There is no consensus on whether the notation is clear or an abuse, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best way to represent these mathematical concepts.

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Participants highlight potential confusion arising from the notation and the use of Einstein's summation convention, indicating that the expressions may not be straightforward without explicit indices. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in translating the mathematical operations accurately.

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I try to understand a demonstration in special relativity about the continuity equation
deduced from the stress-energy tensor
Hello,

I try to understand how to get the last relation below ##(3)## ( from stress energy tensor in special relativity - Wikipedia ).

This is to say that the divergence of the tensor in the brackets is ##0##. Indeed, with this, we define the stress-energy tensor:
##
T^{\mu \nu} \equiv \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial\left(\partial_{\mu} \phi_{\alpha}\right)} \partial^{\nu} \phi_{\alpha}-g^{\mu \nu} \mathcal{L}\quad(1)
##
By construction it has the property that
##
\partial_{\mu} T^{\mu \nu}=0\quad(2)
##

Note that this divergenceless property of this tensor is equivalent to four continuity equations. That is, fields have at least four sets of quantities that obey the continuity equation.

As an example, it can be seen that ##T_{0}^{0}## is the energy density of the system and that it is thus possible to obtain the Hamiltonian density from the stress-energy tensor.

Indeed, since this is the case, observing that ##\partial_{\mu} T^{\mu 0}=0,## we then have :

##
\frac{\partial \mathcal{H}}{\partial t}+\nabla \cdot\left(\frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \nabla \phi_{\alpha}} \dot{\phi}_{\alpha}\right)=0\quad(3)
##

We can then conclude that the terms of ##\frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \nabla \phi_{\alpha}} \dot{\phi}_{\alpha}## represent the energy flux density of the system.

I understand how to get equation ##(1)## but I don't grasp how to make appear the gradient operator in the dot product and the divergence operator in the bottom member nabla in equation ##(3)##, i.e ##\partial \nabla \phi_{\alpha}##.

Could anyone could help me to know how to introduce these 2 operators from equation ##(1)## ?

Regards
 
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Starting from ##\,\partial_{\mu} T^{\mu 0}=0##,$$0 ~=~ \partial_0 T^{00} + \partial_k T^{k0}
~=~ \partial_0 {\mathcal H} ~+~ \partial_k \left( \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial(\partial_k \phi_\alpha)} \, \partial^0 \phi_{\alpha}\right) ~-~ \xcancel{g^{k0}} \, \mathcal{L} ~.$$ Is that a sufficient clue?
 
@strangerep

Thanks for your help. I am just troubled by the writting of ##\nabla## in bottom term , i.e :

##\partial_k \left( \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial(\partial_k \phi_\alpha)} \, \partial^0 \phi_{\alpha}\right)##.

If I expand this expression (without Einstein convention), we have :

##\partial_1 \left( \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial(\partial_1 \phi_\alpha)} \, \partial^0 \phi_{\alpha}\right)+\partial_2 \left( \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial(\partial_2 \phi_\alpha)} \, \partial^0 \phi_{\alpha}\right)+
\partial_3 \left( \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial(\partial_3 \phi_\alpha)} \, \partial^0 \phi_{\alpha}\right)
##.

I thought initially that ##\nabla\,\cdot## was a dot product where ##\nabla## is the gradient vector :

##
\begin{align}
\begin{bmatrix}
\partial_1\\
\partial_2 \\
\partial_3
\end{bmatrix}
\end{align}
\cdot
##

whereas this seems to be rather the divergence operator, doesn't it ?

If this is the case, then :

Is the other ##\nabla## in bottom member ##\left(\frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \nabla \phi_{\alpha}} \dot{\phi}_{\alpha}\right)## not abusive ? since we don't sum over ##k## in this expression :

##\partial(\partial_k \phi_\alpha)\neq \partial \nabla \phi_{\alpha} ## as it is expressed above where I don't use Einstein's convention

Do you agree ?
 
fab13 said:
@strangerep
I am just troubled by the writting of ##\nabla## in bottom term , i.e :

##\partial_k \left( \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial(\partial_k \phi_\alpha)} \, \partial^0 \phi_{\alpha}\right)##.
I consider it an abuse of notation, and never use it myself. For almost everything in physics I use explicit indices and the summation convention, since the meaning is much clearer that way (IMHO).

[...] Is the other ##\nabla## in bottom member ##\left(\frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \nabla \phi_{\alpha}} \dot{\phi}_{\alpha}\right)## not abusive ? since we don't sum over ##k## in this expression :

##\partial(\partial_k \phi_\alpha)\neq \partial \nabla \phi_{\alpha} ## as it is expressed above where I don't use Einstein's convention
You'd have to write something like $$\partial(\partial_k \phi_\alpha) ~=~ \partial \Big( \nabla \phi_{\alpha}\Big)_k ~,$$but it's still a bit confusing.

This is just one of those situations where you've got to mentally translate what's really going on, which is best done with explicit index notation. It's easy enough when you get the hang of it.
 
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ok, you reassure me since I wondered really why this nabla was appearing. Regards
 

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