What is a potential function? I want to understand this intuitively

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The discussion revolves around the concept of potential functions, particularly in the context of physics and mathematics. Participants seek to understand the intuitive meaning of potential functions, their relation to conservative forces, and the mathematical properties associated with them.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the term "potential" in a math textbook, associating it primarily with the concept of potential energy in physics.
  • Another participant explains that potential functions are related to conservative forces, emphasizing that the work done by such forces depends only on the initial and final positions, not the path taken.
  • The discussion introduces the idea of vector fields, noting that conservative forces like gravity and electrostatic attraction have associated potential functions, which are the gradients of these functions.
  • A participant questions the relationship between the gradient of a potential and the curl of a potential, seeking clarification on the properties of these mathematical operations.
  • It is clarified that the curl operator acts on vector fields, and the curl of the gradient of a scalar potential field is always zero, providing a method to identify conservative vector fields.
  • Participants acknowledge that there are caveats to these mathematical properties, such as the implications of the domain of the vector field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions and relationships between potential functions and conservative forces, but there are nuances and conditions discussed that indicate a lack of complete consensus on the implications of these concepts, particularly regarding the curl and the nature of vector fields.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the need for specific contexts to fully understand potential functions, as well as the implications of domain restrictions on vector fields when discussing their properties.

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My textbook keeps on using the word potential, and I keep on thinking about potential energy U = m*g*h, but this is a MATH textbook. What is this thing called 'potential'? Intuitively, what is a potential function? What should I immediately think of?

Thanks!
 
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You'll have to be more specific with the context to get a full answer, because the first thing I think of would indeed be gravity (though more so the V(r) = GMm/r potential, not V = mgh). Mathematically speaking, forces like gravity or the electrical attraction between charged particles are called "conservative forces", which basically means they have associated "potential functions". A conservative force is one for which the work required to move an object from point A to point B depends only on the straight-line distance between the two points. It doesn't depend on the path you choose to get from A to B.

Now, what underlies this mathematically is the concept of vector fields. The force of gravity and the electrostatic attraction between charged particles are examples of vector fields. A conservative vector field is one with an associated potential function (the vector field is the gradient of the potential function). If you perform a line integral between two points of a conservative vector field, the value of the integral depends only on the value of the potential function at the two points, not on the path between them, just like the Work done by a conservative force.

So, unless you have a different context for "potential function", gravitational potential is really just an example of a potential function and the gravitational force is really just an example of a vector field.
 
I get it! So the gradient of the potential is always a conservative vector field...but then, what is the curl of the potential?

Thanks!
 
The curl operator acts on vector fields. The potential is a scalar field, so the curl operator cannot act on it. The curl can, however, operator on the gradient of a potential field - but it turns out the curl of the gradient of a scalar field is always zero! So, another way of identifying a conservative vector field is to check its curl: if the curl is always zero, it's conservative*.

(*There are of course always caveats, one being that if the domain your vector field is defined on has a hole in it, for example, the theorem doesn't apply)
 

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