What Is a Quotient Bundle?

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The discussion revolves around the definition and properties of quotient bundles in the context of differential geometry and vector bundles. Participants explore the relationships between tangent bundles, sub-bundles, and the construction of quotient bundles, addressing both theoretical and practical aspects.

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  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the definition of quotient bundles, mentioning various sources and the need for clarification on the exact sequence involving tangent bundles.
  • Another participant asserts that the sequence is indeed exact in the algebraic sense, suggesting that understanding the normal bundle is key to generalizing the concept.
  • A participant points out the necessity of checking that the space obtained by modding out the sub-bundle in each fiber remains locally trivial.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding the projection map in the quotient bundle, with a participant proposing that it should be defined by composing the original projection with a projection onto the first component of the quotient.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the exact sequence is defined pointwise and involves the tangent spaces of the bundle and sub-bundle.
  • Discussion includes the idea that the exact sequence splits, allowing for the definition of the projection map to complete the exact triangle.
  • One participant notes that not all bundles are vector bundles, yet they can still have quotient bundles, providing an example involving the unit sphere bundle of a vector bundle with a Riemannian metric.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the nature of the exact sequence and the definition of the projection map in quotient bundles. There is no clear consensus on all aspects, particularly regarding the necessity of cosets and the conditions under which the quotient fibers form a bundle.

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Limitations include potential misunderstandings about the nature of exact sequences in the context of bundles, the definition of projection maps, and the conditions under which quotient bundles are formed.

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Hi, everybody:

I have read different sources for quotient bundle: Milnor and Stasheff, Wikipedia
Wolfram, and I still cannot figure out how it's defined. All I know is that it involves
a space X, a subspace Y, and a restriction.

Let Tx be a bundle p:M-->X for X, and Tx|y be the restriction of Tx to y, i.e., the
bundle with top space p<sup>-1</sup> (y):I see a mention of a(n informal) exact
sequence (since there is no actual algebraic map to speak of a kernel). Tx/y is defined
as the "completion of the exact sequence"

0-Ty-Tx|y-Tx/y-0

where it would seem the first two maps are inclusions.

Any hints, ideas, please.?

Thanks.

Since this is not an exact sequence in the algebraic sense, I don't know how to
f
 
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It is an exact sequence in the algebraic sense. Think of the restriction of the tangent bundle to a submanifold. It splits (look at it in a chart) into the tangent bundle of the submanifold and the normal bundle. Once you understand how the normal bundle works, the generalization is straightforward.
 
you just need to check that the space obtained by modding out the sub-bundle in each fiber is still locally trivial
 
Thanks , both.

I think I realized the issue (please correct me o.wise): we start with a bundle:

p:E
|
\/
x

And y is a subspace of x.

The sequence is defined pointwise: we have y<x ( y a subspace of x) , so that
we consider T_py ,the tangent space of p , for any p in x , as a subspace of the
tangent space of p in x:

0-T_py-T_px|y-T_px/y-0

then we consider the quotient vector space T_px|y / T_py

at every point in y, right.?. But, how do we define the projection map in T_px/y .?.

I would imagine we compose the original p with a projection onto the first

component of the quotient , otherwise, it becomes a mess to define p on

the cosets.

Is this right.?

Thanks.
 
the space X is fixed and you have a sub-bundle of the bundle, E, over X. This sub-bundle is also a bundle over X with fiber a subspace of the fiber of E over X. The exact sequence is an exact sequence of fibers. The quotient bundle is another bundle over X.
 
Thanks, Lavinia, I wanted to know how we defined the projection in the quotient bundle,
tho, since we are dealing with cosets, and p in E-->X is defined on elelments of E. Do we
apply p in Tx/y , to the E component of the quotient.?
 
Fibrewise (and bundle-wise over a compact manifold) the exact sequence splits, so you can define the projection map to complete the exact triangle.
 
Thanks again, Zhentil; I forgot that every exact sequence of vector spaces splits,
and if the sequence doesn't split, then you must acquit:smile: (remember J.Cochran
on O.J's trial)
 
Bacle said:
Thanks, Lavinia, I wanted to know how we defined the projection in the quotient bundle,
tho, since we are dealing with cosets, and p in E-->X is defined on elelments of E. Do we
apply p in Tx/y , to the E component of the quotient.?

yes. though I don't think that cosets are required. the only thing you need is that the quotient fibers are preserved by the coordinate transformations of E. this automatically gives you a bundle.

Not all bundles are vector bundles yet they still have quotient bundles and these quotients need not be obtained by modding out by a sub-bundle either. For instance, take the unit sphere bundle of a vector bundle with a Riemannian metric. The antipodal map on each fiber commutes with the coordinate transformation so the quotient fibers - which are projective spaces - form a bundle.
 
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