What is a spatial wavefunction in QFT?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of spatial wavefunctions in Quantum Field Theory (QFT). Participants explore the definitions and implications of wavefunctions, particularly in relation to position eigenstates and the treatment of particle number in QFT, contrasting it with quantum mechanics.

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  • One participant presents an equation relating spatial wavefunctions in QFT and questions the definition of ##\left| \mathbf{x} \right>## in this context.
  • Another participant argues that QFT does not utilize wavefunctions due to the non-fixed particle number, emphasizing the role of creation and annihilation processes.
  • Some participants mention that normalizable single-particle states can be represented in a certain form, while also noting that position observables can be defined for massive and certain massless particles.
  • There is a discussion about the use of asymptotic free wave functions and scattering states, highlighting the importance of normalizable wave packets in deriving scattering-matrix elements.
  • Participants discuss the mathematical approach of quantizing fields in a finite volume to achieve normalizability of plane wave modes.

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Participants express differing views on the existence and role of wavefunctions in QFT. While some acknowledge the utility of spatial wavefunctions in certain contexts, others firmly state that QFT fundamentally differs from quantum mechanics in this regard, leading to unresolved disagreements.

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There are limitations regarding the definitions of position eigenstates and the implications of particle number variability in QFT. The discussion also touches upon the normalization of states and the mathematical treatment of wavefunctions, which may depend on specific conditions or assumptions.

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In peskin P102 ,it mentions spatial wavefunction, I don't know what does it means exactly.
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My understanding is:
$$\phi (\mathbf{k})=\int{d^3}\mathbf{x}\phi (\mathbf{x})e^{-i\mathbf{k}\cdot \mathbf{x}}$$
But what is ##\phi (\mathbf{x})## in Qft?
In quantum mechanics,
$$|\phi \rangle =\int{d^3}\mathbf{x}\phi (\mathbf{x})\left| \mathbf{x} \right> =\int{d^3}\mathbf{k}\phi (\mathbf{k})\left| \mathbf{k} \right> $$
where ##\left| \mathbf{x} \right> ## and ##\left| \mathbf{k} \right> ##are the eigenvectors of operater ##\mathbf{X}## and##\mathbf{K}##
In qft, ##\left| \mathbf{k} \right> ##is still the eigenvector of ##\mathbf{K}=-\int{d^3}x\pi (\mathbf{x})\nabla \phi (\mathbf{x})=\int{\frac{d^3k}{(2\pi )^3}}\mathbf{k}a_{\mathbf{k}}^{\dagger}a_{\mathbf{k}}##
However what about ##\left| \mathbf{x} \right> ##?
My question is:
Is there any proper definition of ##\left| \mathbf{x} \right> ##?
Can ##|\phi \rangle ## still be written as:
$$|\phi \rangle =\int{d^3}\mathbf{x}\phi (\mathbf{x})\left| \mathbf{x} \right> $$(maybe with some factors)?
If not, what does spatial wavefunction ##\phi (\mathbf{x})##mean?
 
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This is very misleading. In QFT there are no wave functions, because QFT describes a situation where the particle number is not (necessarily) fixed. In relativistic QT of interacting particles you always can have annihilation and creation processes, which change the particle number or the kind of particles.

A normalizable single-particle state indeed has the form (4.65) with ##\phi(\vec{p})## and arbitrary square-integrable function.

Further in QFT you can define position observables for all massive particles and massless particles with spin 0 or spin 1/2. In this case you have "position eigenstates" as in non-relativsitic QT. All other massless particles do not admit a position operator (particularly for photons!).
 
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vanhees71 said:
This is very misleading. In QFT there are no wave functions, because QFT describes a situation where the particle number is not (necessarily) fixed. In relativistic QT of interacting particles you always can have annihilation and creation processes, which change the particle number or the kind of particles.

A normalizable single-particle state indeed has the form (4.65) with ##\phi(\vec{p})## and arbitrary square-integrable function.

Further in QFT you can define position observables for all massive particles and massless particles with spin 0 or spin 1/2. In this case you have "position eigenstates" as in non-relativsitic QT. All other massless particles do not admit a position operator (particularly for photons!).
This question arise when I try to understand the equation (4.68) :
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In order to understand the factor ##e^{-i\mathbf{b}\cdot \mathbf{k}_B}##:
I use the so-called "spatial wavefunction":
if$$\phi _B(\mathbf{k}_B)=\int{d^3\mathbf{x}}\phi _B(\mathbf{x})e^{-i\mathbf{k}_B\cdot \mathbf{x}}$$
then:$$\int{d^3\mathbf{x}}\phi _B(\mathbf{x}-\mathbf{b})e^{-i\mathbf{k}_B\cdot \mathbf{x}}=\phi _B(\mathbf{k}_B)e^{-i\mathbf{k}_B\cdot \mathbf{b}}$$
So,I would like to know what ##\phi (\mathbf{x})##means.
 
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Ok! These are (asymptotic) free wave functions or scattering in and out states. The idea is to derive the scattering-matrix elements with such true states, i.e., wave packets which are normalizable to 1. The plane waves or momentum eigenstates are not "true states", because you cannot normalize them to 1 but only to a wave function. Taking normalizable wave packets, that are "narrow in momentum space" to define the S-matrix elements and then take the modulus squared, ##|S_{fi}|^2##, and only then make the incoming and outgoing wave packets plane waves, leads to the correct cross section formula in a very physically intuitive way. This is indeed very nicely treated in Peskin and Schroeder.

Mathematically you can also use a shortcut by quantizing everything first in a (large) finite volume, e.g., taking a cube of length, ##L##, and impose periodic spatial boundary conditions for the fields. Then you have a discrete set of momenta ##\vec{k}=\frac{2 \pi}{L}## and the plane wave modes are only integrated over the finite volume and are thus normalizable. Again you calculate ##|S_{fi}|^2## and then take the "infinite-volume limit" ##L \rightarrow \infty##.
 
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vanhees71 said:
Ok! These are (asymptotic) free wave functions or scattering in and out states. The idea is to derive the scattering-matrix elements with such true states, i.e., wave packets which are normalizable to 1. The plane waves or momentum eigenstates are not "true states", because you cannot normalize them to 1 but only to a wave function. Taking normalizable wave packets, that are "narrow in momentum space" to define the S-matrix elements and then take the modulus squared, ##|S_{fi}|^2##, and only then make the incoming and outgoing wave packets plane waves, leads to the correct cross section formula in a very physically intuitive way. This is indeed very nicely treated in Peskin and Schroeder.

Mathematically you can also use a shortcut by quantizing everything first in a (large) finite volume, e.g., taking a cube of length, ##L##, and impose periodic spatial boundary conditions for the fields. Then you have a discrete set of momenta ##\vec{k}=\frac{2 \pi}{L}## and the plane wave modes are only integrated over the finite volume and are thus normalizable. Again you calculate ##|S_{fi}|^2## and then take the "infinite-volume limit" ##L \rightarrow \infty##.
Thanks for your explanation,I think I get the spirit.
 
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