What is a "structure-less particle"?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of a "structureless particle," exploring its definition and implications in the context of particle physics. Participants examine the characteristics that qualify a particle as structureless, including mass, internal structure, and quantum properties.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that a structureless particle is one that is not made up of smaller particles, with examples including electrons and quarks.
  • Others propose that structureless particles may lack internal quantum numbers, such as spin.
  • One participant argues that photons and neutrinos could be considered structureless particles, although they are still subject to fundamental interactions.
  • Another participant questions the requirement that structureless particles must be massless, noting that neutrinos have a small but finite mass.
  • There is a mention that the term "structureless" is ambiguous, with some preferring the term "fundamental" particle instead.
  • Concerns are raised about the clarity of explanations provided for a younger audience, such as a 4th grader.
  • A participant expresses dissatisfaction with the quality of a previous post, labeling it as spam and unconstructive.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition and characteristics of structureless particles, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Some claims about the properties of structureless particles depend on definitions that may not be universally accepted, and there are unresolved questions regarding the implications of mass and internal quantum numbers.

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I have a stupid question:

I saw the term "structureless Particle".

What is a "structureless particle"? Please explain to me like I am a 4th grader.
 
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It all depends on the context of course, but I would guess it means a particle that is not made up of more particles. Fundamentally, a proton is not a structureless particle because it is made up of 3 quarks. However, a quark would fit in this category and so would an electron, because as far as we know, they are not made up of anything else.
 
Structureless particle? Maybe it has not internal quantum numbers? I.e. no spin.
 
BenTheMan said:
Structureless particle? Maybe it has not internal quantum numbers? I.e. no spin.
Both electrons and quarks [as far as we know] are elementary particles (have no internal structure), both are also fermions and hence have half integer spin (i.e [itex]\pm1/2, \pm3/2, \pm5/2,...[/itex]). However, I do agree with quasar987's interpretation. If you google 'elementary particle' you should find some more information.
 
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According my opinion, structureless particles haven't its mass, size and aren't made up of more particles. For example, photon, neutrino are the structureless particles. However, they are still influenced by interactions (fundamental force as weak,electromagnetic, gravitational, strong ..).
 
daica said:
According my opinion, structureless particles haven't its mass, size and aren't made up of more particles. For example, photon, neutrino are the structureless particles. However, they are still influenced by interactions (fundamental force as weak,electromagnetic, gravitational, strong ..).
According to current theory and experimental evidence, neutrinos have a small but finite mass. Out of curiosity why do you require that a structureless particle must be massless?
 
Both electrons and quarks [as far as we know] are elementary particles (have no internal structure), both are also fermions and hence have half integer spin

I know quite a bit about electrons and quarks:) I guess "structureless" is pretty ambiguous. I took structureless to mean without any internal quantum numbers, and spin is internal in the sense that it is intrinsic. I've never seen an electron called a "structureless" particle, only "fundamental" particle. It would be nice to see some context, I guess.

And 5/2 isn't an allowed spin for fundamental particles:)
 
BenTheMan said:
Structureless particle? Maybe it has not internal quantum numbers? I.e. no spin.
Do you think that is an answer a 4-th grader would understand?

Pete
 
In my country, one call pmb_phy 's post above is a spam. And you are spamer. It isn't contructive.
 

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