What is an Orthogonal Family of Curves?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of orthogonal families of curves, specifically in the context of a differential equation. Participants are exploring how to derive the orthogonal family for a given function involving a parameter.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the method of finding the orthogonal family by taking the negative reciprocal of the derivative. There are attempts to eliminate the parameter 'c' from the equation, and questions arise regarding the necessity of this step. Some participants explore different methods to solve the resulting differential equation, including checking for exactness and considering variable dependencies.

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The discussion is ongoing, with multiple participants sharing their findings and approaches. Some have confirmed similar results, while others are still uncertain about the correct solution. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the methods to solve the differential equation and the implications of the results obtained.

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Participants note that the problem involves a differential equation that may not be solvable using elementary functions. There is also mention of using computational tools to verify results, indicating a reliance on technology for assistance.

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Homework Statement



Anyone familiar with orthogonal families of curves? They're not that difficult to understand. If you have a differential equation

[itex]\frac{dy}{dx} = F(x, y)[/itex]

you can find it's orthogonal family of curves by solving for

[itex]\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{-1}{F(x, y)}[/itex]

Homework Equations



The problem I'm given is to find the orthogonal family for

[itex]y = x - 1 + c e^{-x}[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



It's fairly easy to see that

[itex]y' = 1 - c e^{-x}[/itex]

however, we must eliminate c from this equation. If anyone knows why, that'd be awesome, but that's just the steps that the book mention. So we have

[itex]c = \frac{y - x + 1}{e^{-x}}[/itex] or similarly [itex]-c e^{-x} = x - y - 1[/itex]

and then we'd have

[itex]y' = 1 + x - y - 1 = x - y[/itex]

so taking the negative reciprocal, to solve for the orthogonal family

[itex]y' = \frac{1}{y - x}[/itex]

Now, as far as I know, this equation cannot be solved with elementary functions. I tried a couple of different techniques, well the only ones I have with this course, separable variables, exact equation, linear.. Doesn't seem to fit any of them. When I turn it into a homogenous equation, I don't get a separable equation..

To top it off, to make sure I wasn't crazy, I tried it out in Mathematica and it tells me

DSolve[y'[x] == 1/(y[x] - x), y[x], x]

{{y[x] -> 1 + x + ProductLog[-E^(-1 - x) C[1]]}}

So I don't know WTF.. I'm waiting to look at the back of the book until someone gives me a hint.
 
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If you take the partial of M with respect to y, you should obtain 1, and the partial of N with respect to x it 0; therefore, the partial of M doesn't equal the partial of N. So when you tried the exact method did you then do substitution to make the equation exact since in its current form it is nonexact?
 
Dustinsfl said:
If you take the partial of M with respect to y, you should obtain 1, and the partial of N with respect to x it 0; therefore, the partial of M doesn't equal the partial of N. So when you tried the exact method did you then do substitution to make the equation exact since in its current form it is nonexact?

Well, by letting x be the dependent variable and y be the independent, I managed to come up with this:

[itex]\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{1}{y - x}[/itex]
[itex]\frac{dx}{dy} = y - x[/itex]

From this we get the linear equation

[itex]x' + x = y[/itex]

which is solved as

[itex]y e^y = \frac{d}{dy} \left( x e^y \right)[/itex]
[itex]y e^y - e^y = x e^y + C[/itex]
[itex]y - 1 - Ce^{-y} = x[/itex]

which, as you might notice, is the same equation with the variables swapped. Still not sure, I plotted the equations side by side and found:

ParametricPlot[
Table[{{t, t - 1 + i E^(-t)}, {t - 1 + i E^(-t), t}}, {i, 0, 2,
0.1}], {t, -1.5, 1.5}]

http://study.farleyknight.com/images/0000/0222/orthogonal_formulas.png?1266025357

So they seem to be roughly orthogonal. I think this might be one of the solutions to this problem, but not sure if it's the one they're looking for.
 
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I obtained your same results as well.
 
farleyknight said:

Homework Statement



Anyone familiar with orthogonal families of curves? They're not that difficult to understand. If you have a differential equation

[itex]\frac{dy}{dx} = F(x, y)[/itex]

you can find it's orthogonal family of curves by solving for

[itex]\frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{-1}{F(x, y)}[/itex]

Homework Equations



The problem I'm given is to find the orthogonal family for

[itex]y = x - 1 + c e^{-x}[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



It's fairly easy to see that

[itex]y' = 1 - c e^{-x}[/itex]

however, we must eliminate c from this equation. If anyone knows why, that'd be awesome, but that's just the steps that the book mention.
Because a specific value of c designates a specific curve in the family. The equation giving the entire family must not depend on c.


So we have

[itex]c = \frac{y - x + 1}{e^{-x}}[/itex] or similarly [itex]-c e^{-x} = x - y - 1[/itex]

and then we'd have

[itex]y' = 1 + x - y - 1 = x - y[/itex]

so taking the negative reciprocal, to solve for the orthogonal family

[itex]y' = \frac{1}{y - x}[/itex]

Now, as far as I know, this equation cannot be solved with elementary functions. I tried a couple of different techniques, well the only ones I have with this course, separable variables, exact equation, linear.. Doesn't seem to fit any of them. When I turn it into a homogenous equation, I don't get a separable equation..

To top it off, to make sure I wasn't crazy, I tried it out in Mathematica and it tells me

DSolve[y'[x] == 1/(y[x] - x), y[x], x]

{{y[x] -> 1 + x + ProductLog[-E^(-1 - x) C[1]]}}

So I don't know WTF.. I'm waiting to look at the back of the book until someone gives me a hint.
 

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