What is driving the will to exist?

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The discussion revolves around the motivations behind the will to exist in living organisms, exploring concepts of altruism, selfishness, and evolutionary forces. Participants engage in philosophical reasoning about existence, the nature of altruistic acts, and the implications of evolutionary theory.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that living organisms inherently strive to exist and secure the continuation of their species, even when aware they may not witness the outcomes of their actions.
  • One viewpoint posits that extinct organisms did not exhibit a drive to survive, implying that current organisms' behaviors are shaped by evolutionary pressures.
  • A participant references a cultural example to illustrate the complexity of altruism, questioning whether any act can be truly selfless.
  • Another participant claims that the driving force behind existence is pain, suggesting that the avoidance of pain motivates the will to live.
  • Some argue that seemingly altruistic behaviors are ultimately selfish, as they stem from personal identification with others or future generations.
  • There is a contention regarding whether evolution can be considered an external force driving the will to exist, with some asserting it is merely a process of random mutations without intent.
  • Participants discuss the implications of evolutionary advantages, noting that traits which may not seem beneficial can become advantageous under changing environmental conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of altruism and the role of evolution, with no consensus reached on whether there is an external drive behind the will to exist or if it is purely a result of selfishness and random mutation.

Contextual Notes

Some arguments rely on assumptions about the nature of altruism and the interpretation of evolutionary theory, which remain unresolved within the discussion.

  • #31
GreatEscapist said:
Well, yeah, nowadays there are. But if we weren't so pampered by society today, an instinct would be to reproduce.

So, let me see if I've got this right - the world we live in nowadays is artificial and not really valid, and this other world you speak of is somehow a better yardstick of humanity and more valid?
 
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  • #32
Validity of social standards aside, unless I'm mistaken; the will to reproduce (or exist) and the instict to reproduce (or exist) are two separate things. I think most people have sensed the instinct to reproduce indepent of any will.
 
  • #33
DaveC426913 said:
So, let me see if I've got this right - the world we live in nowadays is artificial and not really valid, and this other world you speak of is somehow a better yardstick of humanity and more valid?

*sighs* Things I say never come out right.

Noooo, no. We just have a lot more comfort nowadays, and I think we all know we CAN reproduce, at almost anytime we want. It's not as big of a priority- as evidenced by people that wait till later in life to have children.

This world exists. :P
 
  • #34
GreatEscapist said:
*sighs* Things I say never come out right.

Noooo, no. We just have a lot more comfort nowadays, and I think we all know we CAN reproduce, at almost anytime we want. It's not as big of a priority- as evidenced by people that wait till later in life to have children.

This world exists. :P

Also, this is where you started out:

GreatEscapist said:
I believe that the will to exist is first to reproduce.


It's not so much that we have "comfort" these days as we have birth control. We're probably having as much sex as frequently as in any olden days of yore.

There is no 'drive to reproduce' . The humans with strong sex drives had the most sex, therefore they produced the most offspring. Those offspring most likely shared that characteristic. Now, though, we can control the offspring part, but I don't think the sex-having bit has reduced.
 
  • #35
GeorginaS said:
There is no 'drive to reproduce'.

:rolleyes:
Um, are you sure?
 
  • #36
GreatEscapist said:
:rolleyes:
Um, are you sure?

If sex were painful do you think we'd ever have to worry about over population?
 

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