What is existence and what will it mean to exist ?

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The discussion revolves around the philosophical concept of "existence" and what it means to "exist." Participants explore various perspectives on existence, including personal relevance, perception, and metaphysical implications. The scope includes theoretical and conceptual inquiries into the nature of existence and consciousness.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the meaning of existence both in relation to oneself and to external entities, pondering how one can exist without fully understanding existence.
  • Another participant suggests that existence is defined by what matters to an individual, emphasizing the relevance of thoughts and perceptions in determining existence.
  • A third participant introduces a philosophical framework based on Ayn Rand's ideas, asserting that existence and consciousness are fundamental, with existence being primary to consciousness.
  • One participant humorously implies that questioning existence may indicate a lack of understanding of the concept itself.
  • A quote from Chuang Tzu is presented, questioning the significance of existence and whether it truly matters.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature and significance of existence, with no consensus reached on a singular definition or understanding. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

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Participants rely on various philosophical frameworks and personal interpretations, which may depend on individual definitions of existence and consciousness. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the implications of existence and its relevance to personal experience.

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What is "existence" and what will it mean to "exist" ?

What will it mean that I (eventually) does exist ?

What will it mean that something outside me exist as observed by me ?

What will it mean that something outside me exist as I does not observe it ?

What is then "exisistence" ?

How it is then possible to "exist" eveyday, without knowing what "existence" is ?
 
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I don't think of existence, I just think of what matters to me. Even the solipsist matters to himself as a starting point so to paraphrase Descartes: I think and this matters to me. Then, whatever affects my thinking also matters. And transitively, if anything affects what affects my thinking then this also matters. In short, the only things that matter is whatever affects my thoughts so I define this as existing. Whatever cannot possibly affect my thoughts either directly or indirectly is irrelevant to me. This gives me a good test for what most people refer to as "existence".
 
"existence exists--and the act of grasping that statement implies two corollary axioms, (1) that some"thing" exists that one perceives, and (2) that one exists with the faculty (consciousness) of perceiving that which exists". Existence + Identity = Existents (the metaphysical given). Consciousness = Identification of Existents. Easy to know what is existence once you accept the primacy of existence as an axiom over consciousness as the starting point of your philosophy. All this from Ayn Rand.
 
existence is one of those things, that if you have to ask you will never understand (^_^)
 
"Once I dreamed I was a butterfly, or am I really a butterfly dreaming I am a man?"
Chuang Tzu

Does it really matter?
 

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