What is "identical to" operator?

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The discussion revolves around the meaning and implications of the "identically equal to" operator (≡) in the context of differential equations and functions. Participants explore its purpose compared to the regular equal sign (=), particularly in terms of clarity regarding the values of functions over their domains.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the meaning of "identically equal to" and its purpose, suggesting that if it indicates a function always has a certain value, the regular equal sign could suffice.
  • Another participant explains that a function is "identically 0" when it evaluates to 0 over its entire domain, contrasting this with the regular equal sign which may only indicate a specific instance.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the distinction between variables and constants, questioning how two variables can differ if they are both variables.
  • Some participants clarify that different variables can take on different values, using examples to illustrate that functions can yield different outputs for different inputs.
  • There is a discussion about the necessity of specifying domains when using the equal sign versus the identically equal operator, with some participants arguing that certain functions are unambiguous without additional qualifiers.
  • One participant challenges the idea that the equal sign can be ambiguous, suggesting that functions like f(x) = x^2 should not be considered ambiguous in the same way as f(x) = 0 might be.
  • Another participant emphasizes that while the notation difference is important, the key issue is the need for clarity regarding the domain of functions when using variables.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of using the identically equal operator versus the regular equal sign, with no consensus reached on the implications of each notation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity and necessity of domain specification in mathematical expressions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight limitations in understanding the distinction between variables and constants, as well as the ambiguity that may arise from not specifying domains in mathematical expressions.

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What does mean "identically equal to" in the context of differential equations? In class the prof wrote [math]\mu_x \equiv 0[/math]. I asked what it meant and he said "it means identical to". Can someone elaborate, for example what purpose does it surve? If it just means a function always has that value, why not use the regular equal sign (=)? For example, isn't it perfectly valid to write [math]f(x)=5[/math]?

And out of curisousity, we were told [math]\mu_x[/math] is Newton's way of writing partial derivatives, is that correct or did someone else come up with it?
 
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A function $f$ is said to be "identically 0", notationally $f\equiv 0$
or $f(x) \equiv 0$ when the function evaluates to $0$ over the domain. If you write $f(x) = 0$, you will need to add another qualifier, e.g. for all $x \in D$ to mean the same thing. Otherwise, $f(x) = 0$ just tells me that $f$ evaluates to $0$ at $x$ but there may be some $x' \neq x$ where $f(x') \neq 0$.
 
But isn't x variable meaning its value can vary to anything, so how can two variables be different? I'm serious, I was never properly taught the difference between a variable and a constant. I could understand f(A) not equal f(B) where A not equal B if A and B are constants, but if x and x' are variables then I don't see how it's true f(x) not equal f(x')
 
Variables need not vary to the same values. Two variables $x,y$ can take on different value. If $f: x \mapsto x^3$, clearly, if $x \neq y$, $f(x) \neq f(y)$.
 
Ok well there's still some things I don't get. You say if you use = instead of [math]\equiv[/math] then you have to specify the domain. For example [math]f(x) = 1[/math] for all x in domain. But why don't you have to do this in other cases? For example just saying [math]f(x)=x^2[/math] is unambigious, a reader wouldn't assume the writer forgot to add anoter case. But by your argument one could say there is x' such that [math]f(x') \neq x'^2[/math]

Also would it be wrong to write [math]f(x)=0x[/math] instead of using [math]\equiv[/math]?
 
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A function $f$ is said to be "identically 0", notationally $f\equiv 0$
or $f(x) \equiv 0$ when the function evaluates to $0$ over the domain. If you write $f(x) = 0$, you will need to add another qualifier, e.g. for all $x \in D$ to mean the same thing. Otherwise, $f(x) = 0$ just tells me that $f$ evaluates to $0$ at $x$ but there may be some $x' \neq x$ where $f(x') \neq 0$.
Can't you say the same thing about other functions? If someone says [math]f(x)=x^2[/math] couldn't you say that's ambigious as for [math]x'[/math] f may not be [math]x^2[/math]? What's so special about a constant?
 
When one says $f(x) = x^2$, it is not ambiguous on what the function does -- as the exact mapping is provided, it is ambiguous on the domain of the function. If I am to ask you is $f: x \mapsto x^2$ is invertible, you cannot give me a yes or no answer without assuming the domain or specifying one.

Imagine the writing, "If polynomial $p$ has such and such properties, then $p(x) = 0$". What exactly does it mean? Do they mean there is some $x$ such that $p(x) = 0$ but not others? or do they mean all $p(x) = 0$ for all $x$, in which case, we can simply say $p$ is identically 0, or $p \equiv 0$.

The importance of this is not the notational difference between $=$ vs. $\equiv$. While there are convention, and you may disagree with said convention, the importance is that when you utilize variables, they should be qualified in some ways.
 

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