What is Intelligence? 2001 A Space Odyssey & Machines

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The discussion revolves around the concept of intelligence, particularly in the context of artificial intelligence as depicted in "2001: A Space Odyssey." Participants explore definitions of intelligence, its various forms, and the potential for integrating intelligence into machines. The conversation touches on theoretical and conceptual aspects of intelligence, as well as implications for AI development.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants define intelligence as the ability to handle new problems and adapt to new scenarios, suggesting that it encompasses various forms such as mathematical, social, and entrepreneurial intelligence.
  • There is a viewpoint that intelligence involves the ability to program oneself and be effective at solving problems quickly.
  • One participant argues that true artificial intelligence requires a level of capacity comparable to the human mind and involves learning through trial and error.
  • Questions are raised about the integration of artificial intelligence with neural networks and whether physical embodiments, like robotic housing, are necessary for true AI development.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the effectiveness of neural networks in achieving true AI, suggesting that they are not sufficient compared to real neurons.
  • Definitions of intelligence vary, with some emphasizing the ability to acquire and apply knowledge, while others highlight adaptability and problem-solving capabilities.
  • Concerns are voiced regarding the limitations of IQ tests and their ability to measure intelligence accurately, with a suggestion that they should be treated with caution.
  • A reference is made to a source that outlines a broad definition of intelligence, including reasoning, planning, and learning from experience, while noting that it does not measure creativity.

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Participants express a variety of definitions and perspectives on intelligence, indicating that there is no consensus on a singular definition or understanding. Multiple competing views remain, particularly regarding the nature of intelligence and the feasibility of achieving true AI.

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Limitations in the discussion include varying definitions of intelligence, differing opinions on the effectiveness of AI technologies, and unresolved questions about the relationship between intelligence and physical embodiment in machines.

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I was just watching this thing about 2001: A Space Odyssey. Anyway, what do you all consider to be intelligence? Could it be incorperated into machine technology?

I also wanted to say that I don't think we need to go into the usual debate (i.e. "Humans aren't intelligent", etc.) Thank you for reading and responding. So...um, yeah. Bye.
 
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Intelligence, i think is how you handle a new problem. So given a cirumstance/problem whatever then if you can find original conlcusions or just the correct one then you have some level of a kind of intelligence.

In general i think that there are kinds of intelligence - math, people skills, entrepreneurial, etc. so you can be 'intellignet' at the math and theoretical physics but no good at recognising if a potential company would work or go bankrupt.

Also IQ tests measure intelligence only if someone has never seen that kind of question before, so if the question of what s next in a number series is put to a graduate in maths then their experience gives them unfair advantage so to speak.
 
To have intelligence: The ability to program yourself.
To be intelligent: To be effective at solving a problem or to be quick at solving a problem.

:smile:
 
AI, or artificial intelligence is a difficult task. It's more than just giving a computer a set of instructions to follow. Learning involves trial and error and error just like anything else, but it's more. You need to be able to make mistakes in the learning process without killing yourself. In order to truly emulate human intelligence, a compture must have nearly equal the capacity that hte human mind does. True AI is not that far off actually.
 
Can artificial intelligence be integrated with neural networks? Also, would you need some sort of physical moving body, such as a robotic housing, for the development of true AI?
 
Neural networks convinced many philosophers that maybe AI was conceivable, this was people who had led the charge against the old, so-called top-down or programming approach to AI.

But it appears that neural networks (which are only a tiny bit like real neurons) aren't doing the job either. My own attitude has swung wildly over the years as these technical changes happened. I am now content to wait and see what the current wonderful technology of live brain study tells us. There's still a lot to learn about thinking.
 
The professional definition of intelligence is the ability to acquire and apply knowledge.

Also I would say that intelligence is your ability of orientation and to use what you got to solve a problem.
 
Originally posted by the_truth
To have intelligence: The ability to program yourself.
To be intelligent: To be effective at solving a problem or to be quick at solving a problem.

:smile:

i would replace problem with situation...problem makes it sound negative, but i agree with your post...
 
very boardly speaking Inteligence is defined has ones ability to adapt to new seneros... ITS NOT, what you KNOW!

of course Inteligence comes in many forms, and with that many ways of testing so even the best IQ tests, should be treated with a pitch of salt.
 
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From http://home.comcast.net/~neoeugenics/wsj.htm

The Meaning and Measurement of Intelligence

1) Intelligence is a very general mental capability that, among other things, involves the ability to reason, plan, solve problems, think abstractly, comprehend complex ideas, learn quickly and learn from experience. It is not merely book learning, a narrow academic skill, or test-taking smarts. Rather, it reflects a broader and deeper capability for comprehending our surroundings-"catching on," "making sense" of things, or "figuring out" what to do.

2) Intelligence, so defined, can be measured, and intelligence tests measure it well. They are among the most accurate (in technical terms, reliable and valid) of all psychological tests and assessments. They do not measure creativity, or other important differences among individuals, nor are they intended to.
 
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I've always consider intelligence to be the ability to learn and apply knowledge. I guess wisdom would be a part of intelligence.

http://www.a-i.com is an interesting site.

AI Research is a leading artificial intelligence research project. At AI, we're creating a new form of life. Our expanding website is an essential part of the emerging global discussion about artificial intelligence. Use our forums, original papers, on-line labs, demos and links to explore what's happening both at AI the (the project) and in AI (the field).

The have a chat bot 'Alan' which is interesting. They also have another A-I program that you can train yourself (on-line). If you create an account (it's free), you can save your training sessions for later. The forums are also pretty good. Discussions about AI, mind, consciousness, awareness, etc.
 

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