What is logarithm how that table is made?

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The discussion revolves around foundational concepts in mathematics and physics, specifically focusing on limits, logarithms, and the mathematical constant pi. Participants seek clarification on these topics, their applications, and the creation of logarithmic tables.

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  • One participant describes limits as a method for addressing instantaneous changes in physics, particularly in the context of speed and acceleration.
  • Another participant explains logarithms as the inverse of power functions, providing examples of how logarithmic values can be estimated and the utility of logarithmic tables.
  • There is a clarification about pi, emphasizing that it is the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter, and that 22/7 is an approximation rather than the exact value.
  • A participant expresses a lack of basic knowledge in math and physics, requesting help with converting real problems into equations and understanding the application of limits.
  • A humorous remark is made regarding the spelling of "pi" versus "pie," prompting a light-hearted question about the location of a "desert pie."

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I am not a physics or math student ,but i am interested in physics i want to understand the nature So i started studying physics my main source is internet .So i need help from people like U .

1.what is limits how and where it is used ?

2.what is logarithm how that table is made?

3.what is pie(22/7) what it is why its value equal to 3.1428?
 
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arjunkr said:
I am not a physics or math student ,but i am interested in physics i want to understand the nature So i started studying physics my main source is internet .So i need help from people like U .

1.what is limits how and where it is used ?

2.what is logarithm how that table is made?

3.what is pie(22/7) what it is why its value equal to 3.1428?

1 "Limits" are a way of dealing with "instantaneous" changes. For example, using the "algebra" formula "speed= "change in distance/change in time", we MUST have some time change so that we are not dividing by 0. Acceleration, defined as "change in speed/change in time" has that same problem, twice. But by Newton's law of gravity, the acceleration due to gravity depends on distance, which can be measured at a given instant. In order for that to make sense, we must be able to define "speed at a given instant" as well as "acceleration at a given instance". Limits allow us to do that.

2. A logarithm is the "reverse" of the "power" function. For example, 1000= 103 so log10(1000)= 3. I know, because I can multiply, that 34= 81. Because I have seen that, I could solve the equation "3x= 81": x= 4, of course. But what if the problem were "3x= 43"? I know that 33= 27 and that 34= 81. Since 43 is between 27 and 81, I know x is between 3 and 4, but where between? If we define "log3(x)" to be the reverse of 3x, then the answer is "log3(43)". Fortunately, we don't need to have a lot of different tables with different bases because logarithm in any base can be converted to any other base- such as base 10, "common logarthms". Also fortunately, people have devoted a lot of time to solving such problems and making up tables of logarithm solutions- and now we have calculators that give the values very easily.

3. "\pi, a Greek letter commonly written "pi" (NOT "pie" which is a desert!) is defined as the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter (ratio of the distance around a circle to the distance across the same circle. It is NOT 22/7 nor is it equal to 3.14128. 22/7 is not a bad approximation for such a simple division and 3.14128 is that rounded to 5 decimal places. Better, if you are going to use decimals, is 3.14159 to five decimal places or 3.1415926 to 7 decimal places. My calculator can give 12 decimal place accuracy: 3.13159265359. Some people have memorized it to several hundred decimal places and computers have been used to evaluate it to several million places. None of those are "the" value of [/itex]\pi[/itex]. (Nor are they of any particular use. Calculating \pi to millions of decimal places is mainly to test [or show off] the speed of a computer.) \pi is an "irrational" number and it happens that in our "base 10" numeration system, no irrational number can be written in a finite number of decimal places nor in a simple pattern.
 
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thank for reply friend,
 
thank for reply friend,

I not have basic knowledge in math and physics please help me..
1.How to convert real problem into equation and how to solve please explain with a example
(derivative problem)?

2.How to use limit in real application ?

3.why stone will never float in water where as ship is float?
 
HallsofIvy said:
3. "\pi, a Greek letter commonly written "pi" (NOT "pie" which is a desert!)

Halls, what country is the desert pie in?
 

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