What is Space Physics and How Does it Relate to Cosmology and Astrophysics?

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The discussion centers on the definition and scope of space physics, its relationship to cosmology and astrophysics, and the distinctions between these fields. Participants explore various interpretations of space physics, particularly in the context of plasma physics and its implications for understanding the universe.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants define space physics as the study of plasmas in the universe, questioning whether it falls under cosmology or astrophysics.
  • Others argue that space plasma physics focuses on phenomena within our solar system, such as the sun and planetary magnetospheres, and is a component of space weather studies.
  • One participant expresses discomfort with associating plasma physics and cosmology, suggesting it leads to non-scientific ideas.
  • Another participant mentions the concept of plasma cosmology and the electric universe theory, indicating a belief that there are valid connections between plasma physics and cosmology, particularly regarding early universe physics.
  • A participant raises a question about the applicability of plasma physics at large scales, citing the successful moon missions as a counterpoint to certain plasma-based theories.
  • One participant shares their academic background in physics with a focus on space physics, emphasizing the need to understand the range of plasma densities in different contexts, such as stars versus interstellar space.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the relationship between space physics, plasma physics, and cosmology, with no clear consensus on definitions or the validity of certain theories. Disagreements arise regarding the relevance and scientific standing of concepts like plasma cosmology and the electric universe.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the potential for confusion due to the varying definitions and interpretations of terms like space physics and plasma physics, as well as the implications of these terms in scientific discourse.

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I came across this term called space physics.

It says that

"Space physics, also known as space plasma physics, is the study of plasmas as they occur naturally in the universe."

Is it cosmology or astrophysics. Or is it something different but under one of these branches!?
 
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Space Plasma Physics, as opposed to astrophysics which deals with the physics of all of space, usually addresses the physics of our local solar system. Space Plasma Physics usually deals the sun, its solar wind, planetary magnetospheres, aurora, and their interrelationship with one another.

*Edit: I would also say that space plasma physics is one of the basic components of the study of space weather.
 
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each person has it's own view. :blushing:
 
I've heard "space physics" to be defined as the study of the part of space where we are able to send spacecraft s.
 
I'm allergic to using the terms 'plasma physics' and 'cosmology' in the same sentence. It is crackpot territory, IMO.
 
Chronos said:
I'm allergic to using the terms 'plasma physics' and 'cosmology' in the same sentence. It is crackpot territory, IMO.
Really? Can you give an example?
 
Does 'plasma cosmology' or the 'electric universe' ring any bells?
 
Chronos said:
Does 'plasma cosmology' or the 'electric universe' ring any bells?

I think I'd heard about plasma cosmology before. Found this
http://www.plasmacosmology.net/



About electric universe I first found [PLAIN]http://www.electricuniverse.de/[/URL] :cool:

and later
http://www.holoscience.com/
where the author makes some fascinating comments like
holoscience said:
I predict that the Nobel Prize in Physics for 2006 will have some present committee members red-faced because the "Big Bang" theory it rewards is already dead!


Despite those sites there's a lot of connections between plasma physics and cosmology that isn't crackpottery, mainly when it comes to early universe physics.
 
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I agree. Plasma physics and EM effects dominate the universe - at small scales - and fail miserably at large scales. Assuming PP and EU effects explain the universe at large [and small] how did all those astronauts journey to the moon without being toasted?
 
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When I entered university, I majored in Physics with a Space Physics option, which meant astronomny, as well as 'cosmology or astrophysics.'

As Chronos indicated, some people like to appropriate scientific terms (e.g. 'plasma cosmology', 'electric universe', . . . ) in order to make their non-scientific ideas more palatable if not plausible.

Plasma physics is part one aspect of space physics, but one must be aware of the range of magnitudes involved. In stars, plasmas are 'dense' - e.g. the plasma in the sun are on the order of 1020 particles/cm3, whereas in interstellar space, plasma densities are a few particles/cm3.

See also - http://www.plasmas.org/space-astrophys.htm

As for controversy - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_cosmology
The neutrality and factual accuracy of this article are disputed. :biggrin:
 

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