What is the Angle of Incline on a Frictionless Air Track?

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The discussion revolves around determining the angle of incline on a frictionless air track, given an acceleration of 0.147 m/s². Participants are analyzing forces acting on two masses connected by a tension force, with the goal of finding the angle that corresponds to the provided acceleration.

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  • Participants explore free body diagrams (FBDs) for the masses, attempting to set up equations based on the forces acting in both the parallel and perpendicular directions. There are discussions about the correct application of Newton's second law and the signs of the forces involved.

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Some participants have offered corrections to the equations set up by the original poster, pointing out errors in the direction of forces and the inclusion of the normal force in the wrong context. There is ongoing exploration of the calculations, with participants questioning the accuracy of their results and discussing potential discrepancies in their findings.

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Participants express uncertainty about their calculations and the implications of their results, indicating a need for clarification on the setup and assumptions made in the problem. There is mention of a specific expected answer of 4.10°, which adds pressure to validate their approaches.

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Homework Statement



Determine the angle of incline on https://www.physicsforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30517&stc=1&d=1291856979" frictionless air track.

Acceleration = 0.147 m/s2.

The answer is supposed to be 4.10°.

Homework Equations



Fnet = ma

The Attempt at a Solution



Mass 1 (https://www.physicsforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30515&stc=1&d=1291856979"):

Perpendicular (y):

Fny = +Fn
Ty = 0
ay = 0
Fgy = -m1gcosθ
= (428)(-9.80)cosθ
= -4194.4cosθ
Fn + Fgy = 0
Fn = +4194.4cosθ

Parallel (x):

Fnx = 0
= -m1gxsinθ
= -4194.4sinθ
Fnet = m1a
Fn + Fgx + T = m1a

+4194.4cosθ – (-4194.4sinθ) + T
= (428)(0.147)
= 62.9

Mass 2 (https://www.physicsforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=30516&stc=1&d=1291856979"):

Fg2 = (20.0)(9.80)
= 196
Fg2 + T = m2a

196 + T = (20.0)(0.147)
= 2.94
T = 2.94 – 196
T = -490

Final calculations:

+4194.4cosθ – (-4194.4sinθ) + T = 62.9
(-) T = -490
----------------
+4194.4cosθ – (-4194.4sinθ) = 552

Not only do I not know how to solve that final equation, I'm also sure the answer will be wrong. I really don't get how to properly go about this question.
 

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idlackage said:
Parallel (x):

Fnx = 0
= -m1gxsinθ
= -4194.4sinθ
Fnet = m1a
Fn + Fgx + T = m1a
Stop!. This equation is wrong. The normal force is along y (as you correctly point out) and does not belong in the x-equation. Furthermore, the tension is up the incline and the component of the weight is down the incline, so they must have opposite signs.
 
kuruman said:
Stop!. This equation is wrong. The normal force is along y (as you correctly point out) and does not belong in the x-equation. Furthermore, the tension is up the incline and the component of the weight is down the incline, so they must have opposite signs.

Thank you! I omitted Fn and changed the equation to this:

Code:
-Fgx + T = -m1a
-4194.4sinθ + T
   = (428)(-0.147)
   = -62.9

So that the final calculations were:

Code:
    T = -62.9 + 4194.4sinθ
(-) T = -490
---------------------------
    0 = 427.1 + 4194.4sinθ
-427.1 = 4194.4sinθ
-427.1/sinθ = 4194.4
sinθ = -427.1/4194.4
   θ = sin-1(-427.1/4194.4)
   θ = 5.84°

Is this just a big percentage error, or am I still doing something wrong?
 
The equation from the second FBD is also incorrect. The weight and the tension are in opposite directions. When you fix it, make sure that the direction of the acceleration is consistent between FBD1 and FBD2.
 
I just realized I had no idea how I got 2.94 – 196 = -490 or other glaring errors. Is this correct?:

Code:
Fg2 - T = -m2a

196 - T = (20.0)(-0.147)
        = -2.94
-T = -2.94 – 196
T = 198.94

Final calculations:

    T = -62.9 + 4194.4sinθ
(-) T = 198.94
---------------------------
    0 = -260.94 + 4194.4sinθ
260.94 = 4194.4sinθ
260.94/sinθ = 4194.4
sinθ = 260.94/4194.4
    θ = sin-1(260.94/4194.4)
    θ = 3.57°
 
That looks about right considering round offs. I got 3.55o.

*** On edit ***
Note that according to your drawing, arcsin(0.162/2.28) = 4.09o. If that's not close enough, you may have to explain the discrepancy.
 
Awesome, thank you so much!
 

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