What is the Average Energy per Photon at Thermal Equilibrium?

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The discussion revolves around finding the average energy per photon for photons in thermal equilibrium with a cavity at a specified temperature, T. The problem involves integrating a given equation related to photon energy density and requires calculating the average photon energy in electron volts at a specific temperature of 6000K.

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  • The original poster attempts to integrate the energy density equation to find the total energy per volume and questions whether their approach is correct. Some participants suggest checking units and finding the number of photons per volume to complete the calculation. Others clarify the need to divide the total energy by the number of photons to find the average energy per photon.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's approach and suggesting necessary corrections. There is an exploration of different interpretations regarding the integration and the relationship between energy and the number of photons.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement and the requirement to find the average energy per photon, with specific attention to the physical constants involved and their units.

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Homework Statement


(a) Find the average energy per photon for photons in thermal equilibrium with a cavity at temperature T.
(b) Calculate the average photon energy in electron volts at T = 6000K.

Homework Equations


u(E)dE = \frac{8 \pi}{(hc)^3} \frac{E^3 dE}{e^{E/k_B T} - 1}

The Attempt at a Solution



Integrate both sides of the equation.
\frac{E}{V} = \int_0^\infty u(E)dE = \int_0^\infty \frac{8 \pi}{(hc)^3} \frac{E^3 dE}{e^{E/k_B T} - 1}

Use the fact that
\frac{z^3 dz}{e^z - 1} = \frac{\pi^4}{15}

and that the equation can be rewritten as
\frac{8 \pi (k_{B}T)^3}{(hc)^3} \int_0^\infty \frac{ (\frac{E}{k_B T})^3 dE}{e^{E/k_B}-1}

which finally gives
\frac{E}{V} = \frac{8 \pi (k_{B}T)^3}{(hc)^3} \frac{\pi^4}{15}

Did I do this right?

Part b will be easy, just plug in the value for T if (a) is right.
 
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Ok, your approach so far is good, but you've missed three factors of kT (check your units!). Now you're asked to find the energy per photon, and you've found the total energy per volume, so you must now find the number of photons per volume and divide.
 
Whoops, must have missed translating the cubed into typing because it's on my paper.

Okay, so I should find N/V and divide. So for N/V
\frac{N}{V} = \int_0^\infty n(E)dE = \int_0^\infty g(E)f_BE(E)dE
and after some algebra
\frac{N}{V} = \frac{8 \pi}{(hc)^3}(k_B)^2 \int_0^\infty \frac{z^2}{e^z - 1}
where
z= \frac{E}{k_B T}
and since
\int_0^\infty \frac{z^2}{e^z - 1} = 2.41
the number per volume becomes
\frac{N}{V} = \frac{8 \pi}{(hc)^3}(k_B)^2 (2.41)
after taking the energy per volume and dividing it by the number per volume
\frac{E}{N} = k_B T \frac{\pi^4}{15(2.41)}
 
Which is of course just what you would expect: kT times some number of order one. This is because the only energy scale in the problem is kT.
 
THe average energy per photon is simply

\langle E\rangle =kT\frac{\zeta(4)\Gamma(4)}{\zeta(3)\Gamma(3)}

Daniel.
 

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