What is the average value of a simple harmonic function over one cycle?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the average values of a simple harmonic function over one cycle, specifically for a particle executing one-dimensional simple harmonic oscillation described by the equation x(t) = a cos(ωt − φ). Participants are tasked with finding the average values of position, velocity, and energy over a complete cycle.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss setting up integrals for average values, questioning the appropriateness of variable substitutions and integration limits. There is exploration of the relationship between angular frequency and the period of oscillation.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on setting up integrals and discussing variable substitutions. There is acknowledgment of the need to relate the period to angular frequency, and some participants express uncertainty about the integration process.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of homework rules, including the requirement to derive relationships and set up integrals correctly without providing direct solutions.

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Homework Statement



"A particle of mass m executes one-dimensional simple harmonic oscillation
under the action of a conservative force such that its instantaneous x coordinate
is x(t) = a cos(ωt − φ).

Find the average values of x, x^2, x', and (x')2 over a single cycle of the oscillation.
Find the average values of the kinetic and potential energies of the
particle over a single cycle of the oscillation."

Homework Equations



Average value of a function = integral of a function / interval of the integral

The Attempt at a Solution



So I just want to make sure I can set the integral up like this:

integral from 0 to 2π (A cos(θ)) dθ

basically is it alright to convert A cos(wt - phi) ----> A cos (θ)
 
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Yes, a single cycle is one where the phase advances by exactly 2 pi. In fact you can take any integration interval from x to x + 2pi.

If you want to do it completely officially, you can relate the period to [itex]\omega[/itex], set up the integration from t = 0 to t = <one period further>, and make a substitution (in the mathematical sense, aka change of variables) [itex]\theta = \omega t - \phi[/itex].
 
CompuChip said:
Yes, a single cycle is one where the phase advances by exactly 2 pi. In fact you can take any integration interval from x to x + 2pi.

If you want to do it completely officially, you can relate the period to [itex]\omega[/itex], set up the integration from t = 0 to t = <one period further>, and make a substitution (in the mathematical sense, aka change of variables) [itex]\theta = \omega t - \phi[/itex].

but if you do that substitution wouldn't you be left with a 1/w when you substitute dt with dθ
 
Hi Eric! :smile:
Eric_meyers said:
but if you do that substitution wouldn't you be left with a 1/w when you substitute dt with dθ

Yes. :smile:

(but why didn't you just integrate wrt t in the first place? :confused:)
 
^Well because I didn't understand how to write my interval in terms of t, but I guess I can just set up my integral from 0 to t + 2*pi??
 
Nope.

When you have an oscillator with angular frequency [itex]\omega[/itex], what is its period (it should be a standard formula, so if you can't derive it look it up).
 
CompuChip said:
Nope.

When you have an oscillator with angular frequency [itex]\omega[/itex], what is its period (it should be a standard formula, so if you can't derive it look it up).

Oh it's 2[itex]\pi[/itex]/[itex]\omega[/itex] which makes sense because the [itex]\omega[/itex] cancel and I'm left with 2[itex]\pi[/itex] which is just the same behavior I started with at t = 0

So I could then set up my integral from t = 0 to t = 2[itex]\pi[/itex]/[itex]\omega[/itex]
 
Yes, exactly.
[In fact, you can set it up from any value t = t0 you like, to [itex]t = t_0 + 2\pi/\omega[/itex], you will see that t0 cancels out in the final result).

Now do the integration, performing a change of variables (substitution) to [itex]\theta \equiv \omega t - \phi[/itex]. You will need to take the Jacobian factor into account ([itex]d\theta = \cdots \, \dt[/itex]) as well as the change of integration limits. You will see how things work out rather nicely.
 

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