What is the basis for a vector space in Structural Engineering?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of vector spaces and their bases in the context of structural engineering, particularly focusing on applications related to linear algebra, beam theory, and differential equations. Participants explore how these mathematical concepts apply to structural analysis and design.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks examples of vector spaces and bases relevant to structural engineering, specifically using displacement vectors for beams.
  • Another participant identifies the relevant vector space as R2 and mentions the standard basis for R2, suggesting that structural engineers may not explicitly refer to linear algebra in their work.
  • Some participants argue that structural engineering heavily relies on linear methods, with linear differential equations forming the basis for many analyses.
  • It is proposed that the components of basis vectors in structural engineering might be referred to as "unit load cases" or "vibration mode shapes" rather than traditional basis vectors.
  • A participant discusses transforming stress matrices to principal stress directions, indicating a use of linear algebra in stress analysis.
  • Another participant introduces the idea of continuous functions as a vector space, relating it to beam deflection and proposing a linearization approach for small deflections.
  • Some participants note that the set of solutions to nth order linear differential equations forms a vector space, while others clarify that non-homogeneous equations yield a linear manifold rather than a vector space.

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Participants express differing views on the extent to which structural engineers utilize linear algebra, with some asserting its importance while others suggest it is not commonly recognized as such. There is also a distinction made between vector spaces and linear manifolds in the context of differential equations, indicating unresolved nuances in the discussion.

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Limitations include the potential for differing interpretations of what constitutes a vector space or basis in structural engineering, as well as the dependence on specific definitions of linearity and dimensionality in various contexts.

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I'm currently doing a self study course on Linear Algebra.

Can anyone give me an example of vector space and basis with reference to Structural Engineering?

For example I have a displacement vector for a simply supported beam as:

[thata_a theta_b]^T

where; theta_a and theta_b represent rotations at two ends of the beam.

What we call a vector space here and what is the basis here?
 
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svishal03 said:
I'm currently doing a self study course on Linear Algebra.

Can anyone give me an example of vector space and basis with reference to Structural Engineering?

For example I have a displacement vector for a simply supported beam as:

[thata_a theta_b]^T

where; theta_a and theta_b represent rotations at two ends of the beam.

What we call a vector space here and what is the basis here?

Your vector is two-dimensional, with real coordinates, so the relevant vector space is R2. The standard basis for R2 is {<1, 0>T, <0, 1>T}.

Every vector in R2 can be written as a linear combination of these two basis vectors.

I don't imagine that structural engineers do much with linear algebra (I could be wrong, though). They are mostly interested in elements of the plane (i.e., R2) or solids in space (R3).

Linear algebra deals with these spaces and many more of higher dimension.
 
Can anyone give me an example of vector space and basis with reference to Structural Engineering?

Pretty well all the methods and maths used in structural engineering uses linear methods.

The general differential equations of a beam are linear so succumb to linear analysis for solution.

Matrix methods, virtual work, tension coefficients, frame analysis, moments of inertia - the list goes on.

This is because they are most methods are based on linear - elastic theory viz stress is proportional to strain and its components are individually proportional to the strain in the component direction. Unit vectors in these directions form the basis vectors you ask about.

The main non linear analyses in structures are the use of plastic theory and fracture mechanics.

go well
 
Mark44 said:
I don't imagine that structural engineers do much with linear algebra (I could be wrong, though). They are mostly interested in elements of the plane (i.e., R2) or solids in space (R3).

Linear algebra deals with these spaces and many more of higher dimension.

Actually they do a great deal of it, in vector spaces with dimensions much larger than 2 or 3.

But they don't usually call it "doing linear algebra". The components of the basis vectors are more likely to be called "unit load cases", "vibration mode shapes", etc, than "basis vectors".
 
AlephZero, another example where Civil Engineers use linear algebra- request your feedback

Given a state of stress at a point, if we want to compute the principal stresses.Then, talking in the linear algebra terms; we need to transform the matrix to a cordinate system that correpsonds to the coordinate system of principal directions.

We do this (or we can do this) by diagonalzing the stress matrix so that all off diagonal terms are zero and diagonal terms represent the eigen values which are the principal stresses

Vishal
 
AlephZero- what is the basis here?
 
svishal03 said:
I'm currently doing a self study course on Linear Algebra.

Can anyone give me an example of vector space and basis with reference to Structural Engineering?

For example I have a displacement vector for a simply supported beam as:

[thata_a theta_b]^T

where; theta_a and theta_b represent rotations at two ends of the beam.

What we call a vector space here and what is the basis here?

Trying to figure how to invoke vector spaces in your example. Here's what I can come up with. The beam angle along the length of of the beam will be an angle valued function of the lateral coordinate.
Imagine then [itex]\theta_x = \theta(x)[/itex] for [itex]a\le x \le b[/itex] being the angle at each point on the beam.

The set of continuous functions on an interval is a vector space, you can add functions and multiply by scalars so you can call them vectors.

Now the mechanics of the beam deflection will probably manifest as a complicated 2nd order differential equation on these functions and the solutions will be uniquely defined by two boundary conditions, for example the angle at the end points. The problem is that the manifold of solutions will probably not be a linear space of functions however for small deflections near the 0,0 case you can linearize, i.e. pick a flat plane tangent to this manifold of solutions. You'll then get a 2 dimensional vector space of linearized solutions.

Think of it this way. For very small deformations of the beam, assume that increasing the deflection will occur proportionately i.e. the functions [itex]\theta(x)[/itex] will be linear:
[tex]\theta(x) = \theta_a + (x-a)(\theta_b - \theta_a)/(b-a)=\frac{b-x}{b-a}\theta_a + \frac{x-a}{b-a}\theta_b[/tex]
Note I've written the function as a linear combination of two functions with multipliers equal to your two end angles.

So within our big space of functions we are considering functions of this linear form and the basis is the pair of functions:
[tex][\mathbf{e}_1, \mathbf{e}_2] =\left[ \frac{b-x}{b-a} , \frac{x-b}{b-a}\right][/tex]
and then the coordinates are:
[tex]\left[\begin{array}{c}\theta_a \\ \theta_b \end{array}\right][/tex]
The vector is then:
[tex]\theta(x) = \left[\begin{array}{cc} \mathbf{e}_1 & \mathbf{e}_2 \end{array}\right]\left[\begin{array}{c} \theta_a \\ \theta_b\end{array}\right][/tex]
 
My experience is that Engineers rely a lot on differential equations- and the set of all solutions to an nth order linear differential equation is a vector space of dimension n.
 
HallsofIvy said:
My experience is that Engineers rely a lot on differential equations- and the set of all solutions to an nth order linear differential equation is a vector space of dimension n.
nth order homogenous linear diff. eqn.
 
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Yes, thank you. The set of all solutions to an nth order non-homogeneous linear differential equation is a linear manifold but not a vector space.
 

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