What Is the Basis for the Kernel of These Linear Transformations?

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The discussion revolves around finding the basis for the kernel of linear transformations, specifically focusing on the transformation T(x1,x2,x3,x4) = (x1+x2+x3,-x3,x1+x2) and another transformation T3(x,y,z) = (x-2y,3x-6y). Participants explore the definitions and properties of the kernel in the context of linear algebra.

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  • Participants discuss the definition of the kernel, the process of finding it, and the implications of having no basis for the kernel. There are attempts to manipulate equations derived from the transformations to identify relationships between variables.

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Some participants have provided guidance by reiterating the definition of the kernel and prompting others to clarify their understanding of the transformations. There is an ongoing exploration of different examples, with some participants questioning their own reasoning and seeking confirmation of their findings.

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Participants note the importance of showing their work and understanding the definitions involved, while also grappling with the implications of having a kernel with no basis, which suggests a dimension of zero.

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Find bases for the kernal of the following:


T(x1,x2,x3,x4) = (x1+x2+x3,-x3,x1+x2)


Any help would be great thank you
 
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You have been told this several times now- do NOT just post a problem for other people to do. Show what you have attempted and what you do understand about the problem.

What is the definition of "kernel"of a linear tranformation?

What is the kernel of this particular linear transformation?

Do you know how to find a basis for a given vector space?

(I note you titled this "find the bases for the kernel". There are an infinite number of bases for any vector space. I suspect you really just want to find a basis.)
 
Ok so here is what I know:

T(x1,x2,x3,x4) = (x1+x2+x3,-x3,x1+x2)

Becomes:

1, 1, 1, 0
0, 0,-1, 0
1, 1, 0, 0

Next I reduced it to HERMITE form:

1,1,0,0
0,0,1,0
0,0,0,0

Set equal to zero

1,1,0,0 0
0,0,1,0 0
0,0,0,0 0

Im nt sure where to go from here??
 
Yes, that would be a matrix representation of this linear transformation but is irrelevant to answering this question.

I will ask again- What is the definition of "kernel of a linear transformation"?

What is the kernel of this particular linear transformation?
(One simple variation, what is x_3 if (x_1, x_2, x_3, x_4) is in the kernel? What can you say about x_4?)
 
It is the set of vectors in the domain for which T(v) = 0 correct?
 
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It is the set of vectors in the domain for which T(v) = 0 correct?
Yes, good! So you have
T(x_1, x_2, x_3, x_4)= (x_1+x_2+ x_3, x_3, x_1+ x2)= (0, 0, 0)
which gives the three equations
x_1+ x_2+ x_3= 0
x_3= 0
x_1+ x_2= 0

Since, by the second equation, x_3= 0, the first equation becomes x_1+ x_2= 0, the same as the third equation. We cannot solve a single equation in two unknowns-the best we do is solve for one in terms of the other: x_2= -x_1. Since x_4 does not appear in any of these equations, there is no restriction on it- it can be any number.

With the conditions that x_2= -x_1 and x_3= 0 we can write any such vector as
(x_1, -x_1, 0, x_4)= (x_1, -x_1, 0, 0)+ (0, 0, 0, x_4)= x_1(1, -1, 0, 0)+ x_4(0, 0, 0, 1).

Now, do you see a basis for the kernel?

You could have done this from your reduced form of the matrix by arguing that
\begin{bmatrix}1 & 1 & 0 & 0\\ 0 & 0 & 0\\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 1\end{bmatrix}\begin{bmatrix}x_1 & x_2 & x_3 & x_4\end{bmatrix}= \begin{bmatrix}0 \\ 0 \\ 0\end{bmatrix}
results in the same equations: x_1+ x_2= 0 and x_3= 0 but I think it is more instructive to go back to the original definitions than to rely on partially-remembered and not very well understood formulas.
 
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Rite I think I understand now. I have done another example if u wouldn't mind checking if it is correct?

(2x1 -x2 + 4x3, x1+x2-x3 ,x1-x3) = 0
so

2x1 -x2 + 4x3 = 0
x1+x2-x3 = 0
x1-x3=0

Therefore x1 = x3

Therefore second equation becomes:

x2 = 0

first equation becomes

6x1

I think I may have made an error?
 
So I think the basis for kernal is:

x1(1,0,1)

Can someone confirm if this is correct thank you!
 
Oh, you were so close!

Your last equation you put was

6x1

What you should have done is

6x1 = 0

This should help make clear what you did wrong.
 
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Ah ok so that would be x1(0,0,1) correct?
 
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Not quite. you have x3=x1 as well.
 
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Ah is it x1(000)??
 
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andrey21 said:
Ah is it x1(000)??

Yup. To be more precise, the only coordinate that is in the kernal is (0,0,0). You could even loosely say that there is no basis for the kernal.
 
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Ah brilliant with there being no basis for the kernal is tht like saying it has a dimension of 0??
 
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andrey21 said:
Ah brilliant with there being no basis for the kernal is tht like saying it has a dimension of 0??

Anything with no variation will be dimensionless.
 
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I know this is an old thread but I have a similar question I wish to ask.

Find the basis for the kernel of the following:

T3(x,y,z) = (x-2y,3x-6y)

so

x-2y=0 (1)
x=2y

3x-6y=0 (2)

Therefore (2) becomes:

3(2y)-6y=0

6y=6y
y=y

So the basis for kernel is:

y(2,1,0)+z(0,0,1)

is this correct??
 
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andrey21 said:
I know this is an old thread but I have a similar question I wish to ask.

Find the basis for the kernel of the following:

T3(x,y,z) = (x-2y,3x-6y)

so

x-2y=0 (1)
x=2y

3x-6y=0 (2)

Therefore (2) becomes:

3(2y)-6y=0

6y=6y
y=y

So the basis for kernel is:

y(2,1,0)+z(0,0,1)

is this correct??
Any vector in the kernel is of that form. Strictly speaking a 'basis" is a set of vectors: {(2, 1, 0), (0, 0, 1)}.
 

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