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How can Laplace transforms be introduced so that students are motivated to learn? It needs to have an impact.

What are the applications of Laplace transforms?

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How can Laplace transforms be introduced so that students are motivated to learn? It needs to have an impact.

What are the applications of Laplace transforms?

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The design of classical control laws is uses Laplace transforms.

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In my experience, solving non-homogeneous DEs with forcing functions is much simpler when Laplace transforms are used.I would not use Laplace transforms to solve first, second-order ordinary differential equations as it is much easier by other methods even if it has a pulse forcing function.

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As far as introducing the Laplace transform, I'm not sure what else you could use for motivation other than it's another technique for solving linear differential equations. It's probably the simplest way for students to learn how the time domain and s-domain are related.

How can Laplace transforms be introduced so that students are motivated to learn? It needs to have an impact.

What are the applications of Laplace transforms?

If you're looking for applications beyond just solving differential equations, I suggest you look through textbooks on linear systems analysis. But I think these applications, like analyzing the stability of a system, will assume that the student knows how the s-domain relates back to the time domain.

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In practice, working engineers rarely find the transforms by solving integrals, we look them up and use them. We also rarely deal with obnoxious functions, it's always well behaved stuff that you can construct from a small list of standard stuff; like step, square, ramp, pulse, δ, sinusoids, exponential, etc.

PS: If you set s = jω (which we do all the time), you also get all of the benefits of the Fourier Transform too.

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When I took differential equations, a long, long time ago, in a place far, far away from where I live now, my very good professor (at a time when she was a newly hired assistant professor and I may have even sat in on her interview lectures, and also at a time when I was younger and thinner) treated it as a random tool box or Swiss Army knife of options course, without any deeper unity or method to the madness or motivation, sort of like collecting trading cards or fun meal toys.

Applications and practical relevance were introduced mostly through problem sets in the form of word problems. (Do you still call them "word problems" in upper division college math courses reserved for STEM majors who were good at calculus? But I'm spacing on an alternative name for them.)

While that could be pretty dry if done poorly, I recall it as being one of the most fun and entertaining math classes I took in college. She had so much enthusiasm for the topic as a newly hired professor that it was just infectious. It was magical. She left everyone feeling like:

We all assumed, somewhat naively, that the problems we would solve with these tools were currently unknown and were waiting out there in the Platonic world of math and physics problems waiting to be discovered, and that we would conquer that world later, when we graduated, once we were well armed with tools our professors had given us, because we trusted our professors to give us tools that were good enough for anything we would encounter.

Having an attitude towards the material that it is exciting and worth knowing about, on an interpersonal and social interaction level, can make up for pretty thin gruel in the area of context and practical applications (even though both of those are out there to be had).

Applications and practical relevance were introduced mostly through problem sets in the form of word problems. (Do you still call them "word problems" in upper division college math courses reserved for STEM majors who were good at calculus? But I'm spacing on an alternative name for them.)

While that could be pretty dry if done poorly, I recall it as being one of the most fun and entertaining math classes I took in college. She had so much enthusiasm for the topic as a newly hired professor that it was just infectious. It was magical. She left everyone feeling like:

Who wouldn't want to learn another sneaky trick to solve a class of problems (i.e. differential equations) that don't have a general solution that can be used in all cases to solve them analytically? The more you know, the smarter and more capable you are.

We all assumed, somewhat naively, that the problems we would solve with these tools were currently unknown and were waiting out there in the Platonic world of math and physics problems waiting to be discovered, and that we would conquer that world later, when we graduated, once we were well armed with tools our professors had given us, because we trusted our professors to give us tools that were good enough for anything we would encounter.

Having an attitude towards the material that it is exciting and worth knowing about, on an interpersonal and social interaction level, can make up for pretty thin gruel in the area of context and practical applications (even though both of those are out there to be had).

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I have never been attracted to the "bag of tricks" approach to mathematics. I greatly prefer the techniques that hint at a deeper and profound truth that is widely applicable.

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For a lot of mathematical disciplines, the deeper and profound truth thing works and I agree with you. For example, it is good for real and complex analysis, for fractals and chaos, for abstract algebra, and for plain old calculus. But other subfields, like differential equations and operations research, for example, just seem better suited to the bag of tricks approach. And the bag of tricks approach can be a pretty good one for engineering oriented students in contrast to pure math oriented students.

I have never been attracted to the "bag of tricks" approach to mathematics. I greatly prefer the techniques that hint at a deeper and profound truth that is widely applicable.

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I strongly disagree, as far as the subfield of differential equations is concerned.But other subfields, like differential equations and operations research, for example, just seem better suited to the bag of tricks approach.

I am not sufficiently family with OR to have an opinion about that.)

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