What is the binding energy needed to shatter Earth by asteroid impact?

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The discussion centers around the concept of binding energy in relation to the potential for an asteroid impact to completely shatter the Earth. Participants explore the theoretical implications of asteroid size and mass required for such an event, as well as the energy calculations involved. The conversation includes both real-world considerations and hypothetical scenarios involving imaginary planets.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the size or mass of an asteroid that could destroy the Earth, suggesting a need to overcome the Earth's gravitational binding energy of approximately 2.23E32 joules.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the possibility of completely breaking the Earth apart, noting that even a massive asteroid would likely only cause significant surface damage rather than total destruction.
  • A hypothetical scenario is introduced where an imaginary planet smaller than Earth could be shattered by an asteroid, raising questions about the relative sizes of the asteroid and the planet.
  • Participants discuss the implications of the binding energy, with one suggesting that a mass of about 4e24 kg, comparable to Venus, would be needed to provide the necessary energy for such an impact.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the definition of binding energy and its role in determining the energy required to shatter the Earth, with some indicating that less energy might suffice to shatter the Earth without allowing the pieces to rejoin.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of an asteroid completely shattering the Earth, with some agreeing on the binding energy calculations while others remain skeptical about the practical implications. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the conditions under which an asteroid impact could lead to total destruction.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the binding energy required to break the Earth apart, but the discussion lacks clarity on the assumptions behind the energy calculations and the definitions of terms used, such as "shatter" and "break apart." There are also unresolved questions about the size and mass of asteroids in relation to hypothetical scenarios.

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Which is the asteroid size or mass
which can destroy the Earth totally
(I mean, breaking apart)?
 
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I doubt one could, the Earth is ~6 billion trillion tonnes of matter. To completely break the Earth apart would require you to overcome the Gravitational Binding Energy of all the mass of the Earth, that would require 2.23E32 joules of energy. An asteroid, even a titanic sized one could only ever hope to vaporize the biosphere and perhaps break some fragments of the Earth off.
 
Fusion in the Sun

What is the time scale of the fusion (hydrogen into helium) in the Sun.
And what is the event rate?
 
I'm not sure what you mean by "event rate". In 5 billion years the sun will convert into a red giant, I believe that by this stage hydrogen fusion will be over and helium fusion will be dominant, you might want to google that though because I'm not 100% sure
 
Back to the asteroids and Earth.
My question is not about real world.
So let's see an imagenary planet, maybe smaller than Earth.
Asteroids usually cause only small demage on the surface,
but a real big one can brake the planet apart.
Maybe the size of the asteroid is comparable to the planet,
but my question is that it can be order of magnitude smaller or not?
 
mersecske said:
Back to the asteroids and Earth.
My question is not about real world.
So let's see an imagenary planet, maybe smaller than Earth.
Asteroids usually cause only small demage on the surface,
but a real big one can brake the planet apart.
Maybe the size of the asteroid is comparable to the planet,
but my question is that it can be order of magnitude smaller or not?

Well, the current theory about how the moon was generated suggests a mars-sized object had an off-centre collision with the Earth, and obviously the Earth survived that.

To take ryan_m_b's binding energy of 2.23e32 J, and typical collision velocities for objects in the solar system are on the order of 10km/s, so that means you need a mass of about 4e24 kg to provide that much energy, or roughly an object the size of Venus.
 
What is
"ryan_m_b's binding energy of 2.23e32 J"
?
 
mersecske said:
What is
"ryan_m_b's binding energy of 2.23e32 J"
?

The binding energy that ryan_m_b talked about before.
The potential energy keeping Earth together is 2.23x1032 joules, which means you fully break Earth apart, you would need to supply that amount of energy to the Earth.
 
Vagn said:
The binding energy that ryan_m_b talked about before.
The potential energy keeping Earth together is 2.23x1032 joules, which means you fully break Earth apart, you would need to supply that amount of energy to the Earth.

To be more accurate, you could shatter the Earth with less energy. The binding energy is the energy you need to impart to the Earth to prevent the resulting pieces from rejoining due to mutual gravitational attraction.
 

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