What Is the Centripetal Acceleration and Tension in a Swinging Bucket?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving centripetal acceleration and tension in a bucket being swung in a vertical circle. The original poster presents specific conditions at various points in the swing, seeking to express centripetal acceleration and tension as multiples of gravitational force and the bucket's weight.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationships between tension and centripetal acceleration at different points in the swing, questioning the original poster's numerical answers and assumptions about speed and radius. There is an exploration of the forces acting on the bucket at the top, bottom, and side of the swing.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the physics of the problem and questioning the assumptions made by the original poster. Some participants suggest reconsidering the conditions under which the centripetal acceleration equals gravitational acceleration, while others clarify the role of tension in the system.

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There is mention of specific input requirements from a web-based homework platform, which may influence how answers are framed. Participants note the importance of understanding the minimum speed needed to prevent spilling water from the bucket, indicating potential constraints in the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


Bob picks up a bucket of water by a rope and swings it around in a vertical plane. The bucket passes through the top of the circle with a speed v1.
(Note: You may neglect air resistance.)

a.)At point 1 (top of the loop):
How large is centripetal acceleration of the bucket? (Express as a multiple of g.)
ac,1 = · g
How much is the tension in the rope? (Express as a multiple of the bucket's weight.)
T1 = · mg

b.) At point 2 (bucket at same height as the center of the circle):
What is the speed of the bucket? (Express as a multiple of v1.)
v2 = · v1
How large is centripetal acceleration of the bucket?
ac,2 = · g
How much is the tension in the rope?
T2 = · mg

c.) Repeat when the bucket is at point 3 (bottom of the swing):
v3 = · v1
ac,3 = · g
T3 = · mg

Homework Equations



mg=(mv^2)/r

The Attempt at a Solution



I figured out the solutions to part a which is 1 and 0. But I'm having a hard time with part b and c. Top of the swing T=mv^2/r + mg. Left of swing T = mv^2/r. Bottom of swing T= mv^2/r -mg. Right?
 
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Welcome to PF, roarono.
I don't see how you got numerical answers for (a) when you don't know the radius or speed.
Top of the swing T=mv^2/r + mg. Left of swing T = mv^2/r. Bottom of swing T= mv^2/r -mg.
At the top, Fc = mv²/r and mg is part of this. The tension must provide the rest, so T = mv²/r - mg. At the bottom I would say
T = mv²/r + mg because the tension must provide the Fc as well as hold up the weight.
 
Well, the problem is from webassign. And the way it wants me to put answers in is by multiples of the unit or multiples of gravity, mass, velocity, etc. The reason why I got 1 and 0 is because at the top of the swing, the centripetal acceleration is mg=(mv^2)/r which comes out to be a = g. So the answer is 1. Which will be 1 * g = g. That's how the website wants me to input the answers.
 
at the top of the swing, the centripetal acceleration is mg=(mv^2)/r
I don't see how you get that. It will be equal to g for particular values of v and r, but not for all values of v and r. Does the question go on to say something about it being the minimum speed that avoids spilling the water? I do seem to be having trouble seeing things this week; I'm probably missing something!
 

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