Finding acceleration given mass and tension

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The discussion revolves around determining the vertical acceleration of a bucket given a specific tension in the rope and the mass of the bucket. The problem involves concepts from dynamics, specifically Newton's second law and the forces acting on an object in a gravitational field.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between tension, gravitational force, and acceleration. There are attempts to derive formulas and clarify the net forces acting on the bucket. Questions arise regarding the direction of forces and the validity of the equations used.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning the correctness of derived equations and the assumptions about the direction of forces. Some guidance has been provided regarding the need for a free body diagram and the importance of correctly applying Newton's laws.

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There is uncertainty regarding the direction of the tension force and whether it is acting upwards or downwards. Participants are also grappling with the implications of using different units in their calculations.

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If there is a 70N tension in a rope attached to a 4.0 kg bucket, what will be the vertical acceleration of the bucket?

I'm not really sure how to do this. I can find tension but not acceleration. I think I'm missing something simple. I'm also confused about the direction because it doesn't state whether it is going up or down.

For the formula I got a=Ft-g and m+mg-Ft=a. Idk either are right
 
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Rionic said:
For the formula I got a=Ft-g and m+mg-Ft=a. Idk either are right
Where do those formulas come from? Their units do not match.

Did you draw a diagram with all relevant forces in it? That should always be the first step if you are unsure how to proceed.
 
mfb said:
Where do those formulas come from? Their units do not match.

Did you draw a diagram with all relevant forces in it? That should always be the first step if you are unsure how to proceed.
I drew an FBD with Fg downwards and Ft upwards
 
Rionic said:
I drew an FBD with Fg downwards and Ft upwards
If those are the only two forces on the bucket, what is the net force on the bucket?
 
Rionic said:
For the formula I got a=Ft-g

What did your equation look like before you got this equation from it? It looks like you started out with the right equation but then made mistakes rearranging it.

You know, for example, that Ft = 70 N and g = 9.8 m/s2, but subtracting them doesn't make sense because they have different units.
 
Mister T said:
What did your equation look like before you got this equation from it? It looks like you started out with the right equation but then made mistakes rearranging it.

You know, for example, that Ft = 70 N and g = 9.8 m/s2, but subtracting them doesn't make sense because they have different units.
Fnet=Ft-Fg then I turned fnet into ma and Fg into mg so it looked like
Ma=Ft-mg then rearranged it to a=Ft-g by dividing m on both sides
 
Rionic said:
Fnet=Ft-Fg then I turned fnet into ma and Fg into mg so it looked like
Ma=Ft-mg then rearranged it to a=Ft-g by dividing m on both sides
That should be a lower case m on the left ##ma = F_t - mg##
Now, when you divide the right hand side by m, what do you get again?
 
Rionic said:
Ma=Ft-mg then rearranged it to a=Ft-g by dividing m on both sides

You mean,

##ma=F_t-mg##,

right?

Then dividing the left side by ##m## does give you ##a##, but you got the wrong result when you divided the right side by ##m##.
 
Who says that the rope is pulling upward on the bucket? How do we know that the rope isn't pulling downward on the bucket?

Chet
 
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Mister T said:
You mean,

##ma=F_t-mg##,

right?

Then dividing the left side by ##m## does give you ##a##, but you got the wrong result when you divided the right side by ##m##.
Doesn't the m on the right side cancel?
And maybe this question doesn't require a direction because it doesn't tell me if it's going upwards or downwards
 
  • #11
Rionic said:
Doesn't the m on the right side cancel?

Plug the numbers in and find out! Tell us the magnitude of each force, subtract them, and see if you get a net force that's equal to the mass times the acceleration.
 
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Rionic said:
Doesn't the m on the right side cancel?
There are two terms on the right hand side.
 
  • #13
jbriggs444 said:
There are two terms on the right hand side.

Ohh so it's a=Ft/m - g?
 
  • #14
Yes!
 

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