What is the concentration of my starch?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the concentration of starch in a solution that includes ethylene glycol and water. Participants explore the implications of adding ethylene glycol on the concentration calculations and consider the effects of water content in the starch itself.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the final concentration of starch as 3.043 wt% based on the total weight of starch, ethylene glycol, and water.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about whether the presence of ethylene glycol would affect the concentration of starch, questioning the validity of the initial concentration calculation.
  • A later reply emphasizes the importance of using weight rather than volume for concentration calculations, suggesting that volumes can combine in unpredictable ways.
  • Participants discuss the impact of the density of ethylene glycol on the concentration, with some asserting that as long as calculations are based on weight, density does not affect the concentration.
  • One participant mentions that their starch contains 10% water content and questions whether to use the total weight of 7.77 grams (accounting for water) or just 7 grams (dry starch) for concentration calculations.
  • Another participant responds that the concentration should be considered on a "dry basis," confirming that the concentration is 3% when using the dry weight of starch.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the method for calculating weight percentage based on total weight. However, there is some disagreement regarding the implications of adding ethylene glycol and how to account for water content in the starch.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the importance of distinguishing between "dry basis" and total weight in concentration calculations, indicating potential confusion in how to handle the water content in starch.

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I weight 7 gram of starch and added 3 gram of ethylen glycol and mixed it with 220 gram water. What is the final concentraion of my starch?
 
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What is the final concentraion of my starch?
3.043 wt%.
 
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So for the final volume of the solution we need to sum up everything we added in the solution (starch, ethylen glycol + water). Then divide amount of starch to the total volume (starch+ethylen glycol+water).Am i right? I got confused because It thought presense of ethylen glycol would interfer the concentration of starch and we will not get 3.043 wt %.
 
Cyrus the great said:
So for the final volume of the solution we need to sum up everything we added in the solution (starch, ethylen glycol + water). Then divide amount of starch to the total volume (starch+ethylen glycol+water).Am i right? I got confused because It thought presense of ethylen glycol would interfer the concentration of starch and we will not get 3.043 wt %.
Be careful using the word "volume" unless you really mean it. Keeping it on a weight basis is foolproof. Volumes can combine in unknown ways.
 
Sure. So for the final weight we need to sum up (starch+ethylen glycol+water) then divide starch to the final weight. The reason i got confused is in another experiment to the 7 gram of starch i added 223 gram of water and concentration becomes the same 3.043 wt%. So my question is if adding the ethylen glycol would interfere with the concentration of starch?
 
Cyrus the great said:
So my question is if adding the ethylen glycol would interfere with the concentration of starch?
Nope; your method of getting wt% is correct.
 
Is density of ethylen glycol effect the concentration of starch?
 
Cyrus the great said:
Is density of ethylen glycol effect the concentration of starch?
Nope; as long as it is all on a weight basis, there is no density effect.
 
I forgot to tell you about something. My starch has 10 % water content. So basically I weight 7.77 to compensate the water and then i mixed with 3 gram of ethylen glycol and 219.23 gram of water. So my question is now the concentration wt % of starch is 7.77/230=3.37 % or we should consider 7/230=3 %? Because I weight 7.7 gram but it is not only starch but also water is presented together with starch. I took 7.7 gram to compensate the water inside the starch. So, may I ask you what is the concentration wt % of starch in this situation?
 
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So my question is now the concentration wt % of starch is 7.77/230=3.37 % or we should consider 7/230=3 %?
Yes, wt% is 3% "dry basis." My experience in the starch handling industries is that "dry basis" or "dry solids basis" is used to prevent any confusion.
 
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