What is the concept behind the Uncertainty Principle?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle (HUP), focusing on its conceptual understanding and implications in quantum mechanics. Participants explore the relationship between position and momentum, the mathematical formulation of the principle, and its interpretation in various contexts.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the uncertainty principle, noting that it seems contradictory to problems that simply plug in values for mass and velocity to solve for position.
  • Another participant attempts to clarify the principle by stating that knowing the position of a particle with high accuracy results in a large uncertainty in its momentum.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that the HUP is not merely about our knowledge of position and momentum, but rather about the inherent limitations in attributing precise values of these quantities to a quantum state.
  • Some participants mention their prior exposure to the principle through chemistry courses and online resources, indicating a variety of backgrounds in understanding the concept.
  • One participant acknowledges that a link provided helped clarify their understanding of the principle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the interpretation of the uncertainty principle, as participants present differing views on its implications and the nature of knowledge regarding position and momentum.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the mathematical complexities involved in Schrödinger's equation and its relation to the uncertainty principle, indicating a potential gap in understanding the foundational mathematics of quantum mechanics.

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I'm trying to understand the uncertainty principle.

ΔxΔp >= h/4∏

from my understanding of the concept, its not possible to know the value of the position and the momentum simultaneously. yet the problems that i see floating around on the internet seem to just plug in values for mass and velocity to solve for position.

i understand that the answer yielded would be

Δx >= whatever

showing that there is uncertainty in the value of change in position.

is that all there is to it? or am i missing something here?
edit - I'm also trying to teach myself about Schrödinger's equation but the mathematics involved seem too complex.
 
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quicksilver123 said:
yet the problems that i see floating around on the internet seem to just plug in values for mass and velocity to solve for position.
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here is a very simple example of how to use the uncertainty equation:
 
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I don't know. The principle was mentioned in my chemistry course. I had a previous familiarization with the concept so I just googled some problems being solved.
 
The link cleared it up. Thanks.
 
also, just to clear you understanding - the more you know about position, the less you know about momentum. and when they say "its not possible to know the value of the position and the momentum simultaneously" they really mean "its not possible to know the exact value of the position and the momentum simultaneously" So let's say you know fairly accurately the position of your electron - the uncertainty in its momentum will be very large.
 
The HUP in its precise mathematics formulation is not about our knowledge of position x and momentum p, it's about the impossibility to attribute x and p to a quantum state with higher precision. So he HUP does not only say that we cannot know (nor measure) x and p with higher precision, but that in a general quantum state the particle cannot have auch x and p.
 

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