What is the convolution of two independent standard gaussian distributions?

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The discussion revolves around the convolution of two independent standard Gaussian distributions and the resulting distribution of their sum. Participants explore the mathematical steps involved in computing the density function of the sum of two independent random variables, each following a standard Gaussian distribution.

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  • One participant outlines the convolution integral for the sum of two independent Gaussian random variables and expresses uncertainty about the next steps.
  • Another participant suggests completing the square in the integral to simplify the expression.
  • Some participants propose that the sum of two independent standard Gaussian variables results in a Gaussian distribution with a variance of 2.
  • There is a discussion about the integral of the probability density function (pdf) over its range being equal to 1, with participants questioning how to evaluate limits at infinity.
  • Several participants discuss substitution methods to manipulate the integral into a more recognizable form.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the notation and whether using different symbols (D vs. Z) affects the validity of their conclusions.
  • A later reply suggests that it is acceptable to express the relationship between the variables in terms of a linear transformation of the Gaussian distribution.

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Participants generally agree on the mathematical principles involved in convolution and the properties of Gaussian distributions, but there is no consensus on the specific steps or substitutions to use in the calculations. Some participants express confusion and seek clarification on certain points.

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Participants mention the need for careful handling of limits in integrals and the implications of variable substitutions, indicating that there may be unresolved assumptions or steps in the mathematical reasoning.

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Hello, my question ;

Suppose X1 and X2 are independent random variables, each with the standard gaussian distribution. Compute, using convolutions the density of the distribution X1 + X2 and show that X1+ X2 has the same distribution as X * root2 where X has standard gaussian distribution.

Basically I have said
take fx+y (z) = integral fx(z-y)fy(y) dy.

I have said fx (z-y) = 1/root2pi * exp(-.5(z-y)^2) and that fy = 1/root2pi exp(-(y^2)/2)

I have then multiplied these together inside an integral from minus infinity to infinity
I end up getting
1/2pi *exp(-z^2 / 2) * integral exp(y(-y+z))

Now how do i go further, and am i even on the right lines!?

Any help would be very much appreciated

Thanks.
 
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Hi stukbv! :smile:

If I get it right, your problem is

\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}{e^{-(y^2-zy)}dy}

Try to complete the square of y^2-zy...
 
You are near the final result. consider micromass's hint.

if X,Y be independent RVs \widetilde{} G(0,1) then <br /> X+Y \widetilde{} G(0, \sqrt{2})
 
Hi so now i have 1/2pi * e^(-k^2/2) * integral exp(-(l^2-kl))
Then i complete the square and get;
1/2pi exp(-k^2/4) integral exp(-(l-k/2)^2) dl

But how on Earth is this the same as the distribution of the other!?

Thanks
 
Well, you just need to calculate

\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}{e^{-(y-z/2)^2}dy}

Isn't this easy to calculate? It is a well known integral... hint: substitute u=y-z/2
 
Dear stukbv,
Don't forget: "integral of any pdf over all its range is equal to 1"!
 
I still don't get it, i can integrate it normally but I wouldn't know how to work out the value at infinity and - infinity!?
 
What is

\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}{\frac{1}{\sqrt{2\pi}}e^{-\frac{x^2}{2}}dx}

Hint, it is the integral of a pdf...
 
This is 1, but i don't have that above i have just exp(-u^2) with no / 2 ?!
 
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Well, try a suitable substitution that will give you /2 in the exponent.
 
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:S how can i just change it ?
 
  • #12
Just try a good substitution x=ay. What value must a be to get /2 in the exponent?
 
  • #13
x=2y-z?
 
  • #14
no, x= root2 (y-z/2)
 
  • #15
stukbv said:
no, x= root2 (y-z/2)

Yes! That looks good!
 
  • #16
So, i finally get that fx+y(z) = 1/root(2pi) *exp(-z^2/4)

And now to say that it equals dist root2 X where X ~ N(0,1) then do i just say that
D = root2 * X + 0 , so i can just replace all X's with D/root2 and its the same thing?
Does it matter that one uses D , i.e ill get the same as above but with D's where the Z's are, is this still ok?
 
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stukbv said:
So, i finally get that fx+y(z) = 1/root(2pi) *exp(-z^2/4)

And now to say that it equals dist root2 X where X ~ N(0,1) then do i just say that
D = root2 * X + 0 , so i can just replace all X's with D/root2 and its the same thing?
Does it matter that one uses D , i.e ill get the same as above but with D's where the Z's are, is this still ok?

This is quite difficult to follow. Can't you just say that X+Y\sim N(0,\sqrt{2})...
 
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i guess so yeah! thanks.
 
  • #19
Also , in another part it asks me to let Y=aX+b and says what is the density of the distribution of Y if X has the standard distribution, (i.e. to derive it) is it right to let Y-b/a = X, put these in place of all the x's in the fx and then multiply by the "stretch factor" of 1/a?
 

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