What is the correct definition of energy in relativistic systems?

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The correct definition of energy in relativistic systems involves the relationship between kinetic energy (K), potential energy (U), and total energy (E), expressed as K + U = E. In a relativistic context, the energy equation modifies to include the Lorentz factor, leading to the expression E = mc²/√(1 - v²/c²) - mc² + U. The differentiation of this equation with respect to velocity yields the relativistic force F = ma × γ³, where γ is the Lorentz factor. The discussion emphasizes the importance of precise definitions in energy calculations, particularly regarding the Hamiltonian framework.

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If a particle is in a ideal inertial system, with only potential energy and kinetic energy present, then

K + U = E

If we take in account of the relativistic effect, we get

\frac{mc^2}{\sqrt{(1-\frac{v^2}{c^2})}}-mc^2+U=E

If we differentiate both side with respect to its velocity,

\frac{mv}{\sqrt{(1-\frac{v^2}{c^2})^3}}+dU/dv=0

So far, I'm fairly sure my derivations are correct, for I use the last result to derive the "relativistc" force F=ma x gamma^3.

Now, for the next bit, if I solve for U using indefinite integral I ended with
U=\frac{mc^2}{\sqrt{(1-\frac{v^2}{c^2})}}+C.

What is C?

If I did it by definite integral from 0 to v, I ended with the relativistic kinetic energy. Which is right??
 
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Hyperreality said:
If a particle is in a ideal inertial system, with only potential energy and kinetic energy present, then

K + U = E

If we take in account of the relativistic effect, we get

\frac{mc^2}{\sqrt{(1-\frac{v^2}{c^2})}}-mc^2+U=E

If we differentiate both side with respect to its velocity,

\frac{mv}{\sqrt{(1-\frac{v^2}{c^2})^3}}+dU/dv=0

So far, I'm fairly sure my derivations are correct, for I use the last result to derive the "relativistc" force F=ma x gamma^3.

Now, for the next bit, if I solve for U using indefinite integral I ended with
U=\frac{mc^2}{\sqrt{(1-\frac{v^2}{c^2})}}+C.

What is C?

If I did it by definite integral from 0 to v, I ended with the relativistic kinetic energy. Which is right??

The prob. is not what C is.
You should write:
\frac{mv}{\sqrt{(1-\frac{v^2}{c^2})^3}}+dU/dv=dE/dv

blue
 
Yes, I should.

But note that E is the total energy of the system, so it is a contant,

ie, dE/dv = 0.
 
Be careful, you must be precise with your definitions or you will run into problems.

Energy is more appropriately defined as the functional composition of the Hamiltonian with the coordinates/momenta of the system as a function of time i.e. E(t)=H(q(t),p(t)). This is, by conservation laws, constant, but this is not what you had in your equation. You had the Hamiltonian, which indeed has dependence on momentum (and thus velocity) otherwise the particle (by Hamilton's equations) would be at rest.

In your instance the Hamiltonian is defined as H(q,p) = K(p) + U(q,p) where K(p) and U(q,p) are the kinetic and potential energies for a particle at position q with momentum p.

However, you did something slightly correct and interesting, which is that potential energy can never be found absolutely. You can only ever hope to measure/calculate differences in potential across space, thus all potentials can have a (spatial) constant added to them and the observable physics of the system in question will not change.
 

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