What is the Correct Electronegativity Values for Defining Bond Types?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the correct electronegativity values used to define bond types, particularly focusing on the classification of bonds as polar or nonpolar covalent. Participants explore various sources and their differing values, raising questions about specific bonds, such as the S-O bond in sodium sulfide.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes discrepancies in electronegativity values across different sources and questions the classification of the S-O bond as nonpolar covalent based on these values.
  • Another participant suggests that the electronegativity difference threshold for covalent bonds is between 1.7 and 2, with polar/nonpolar classification thresholds at 0.4/0.5.
  • A later reply confirms that the S-O bond is polar covalent, citing a specific electronegativity difference of 1.0.
  • One participant highlights that bond classification is not precise and that electronegativity differences serve as a rule of thumb, acknowledging the existence of gray areas in these definitions.
  • Another participant expresses gratitude for clarification after discussing the topic with a PhD student, indicating a shift in understanding regarding the S-O bond classification.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the classification of the S-O bond and the appropriate electronegativity thresholds for bond types. There is no consensus on the correct values or classifications, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the definitions and classifications of bonds.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various sources that provide different electronegativity values and bond classification rules, indicating potential limitations in the definitions and assumptions underlying these classifications.

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I recently found a table of electronegativity differences, where certain differences where used to define certain types of bonds. However I found different values at different sites so I wonder if someone could help sort this out.

Link 1

http://www.files.chem.vt.edu/RVGS/ACT/notes/electronegativity

This is the values I used for comparing the bonds witihin the molecules but had to stop when I found new ones. Also found another one saying an electronnegativity difference of less than 0.4 (instead of 0.5) is nonpolar covalent bonds...

Link 2

http://www.mikeblaber.org/oldwine/chm1045/notes/Bonding/Polarity/Bond05.htm

This one is the most wierdet making huge value differences compared to what I have found more.

Link 3

http://www.chemteam.info/Bonding/Electroneg-Bond-Polarity.html

This one brought up new unmentioned "rules"

However further research with this just didnt make any sense.

Sodium sulfide, let's take the sulfide ion, they say that the S-O bond is COVALENT, HOW? The electronneg. diff. gives you 3.5-2.5=1 which is LARGER than 0.4(or 0.5 who ever is correct). How can this be a NONPOLAR covalent bond, I am just confused...

What is the correct values for electronnegativity?

Thanks in advance
Regards, Robin Andersson.
 
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The limit is 1.7-2 depending on sources. So if the electronegativity difference between the atoms is less or equal to 2, then the bond is rather covalent, except for metal ions (rule 4 in 3rd link). Whether the bond is polar/non-polar, the threshold is then 0.4/0.5. Where did you find that S-O bond is non-polar ? (SO or SO_2, the bonds are covalent and with hybridized orbitals).
 
dextercioby said:
The limit is 1.7-2 depending on sources. So if the electronegativity difference between the atoms is less or equal to 2, then the bond is rather covalent, except for metal ions (rule 4 in 3rd link). Whether the bond is polar/non-polar, the threshold is then 0.4/0.5.

I see, thanks a lot!


dextercioby said:
Where did you find that S-O bond is non-polar ? (SO or SO_2, the bonds are covalent and with hybridized orbitals).

I'm having troubles finding the URL again but it was from a reply from someone (at answers.yahoo) while I was googling around on covalent, sulfide, oxygen and such.

So the S-O bond is a polar-covalent bond as I first suspected? And not a non-polar covalent bond?

"2. If the ΔEN is between 0.5 and 1.6, the bond is considered polar covalent"

S-O ΔEN is 1.0.

Thanks for the reply, it is really appreciated because I'm trying to solve out any of the left over riddles now before my preliminary examination next week in this chemistry course.
 
SO_2 has a dipole moment, it's a polar molecule according to the general rule, as well as according to <Inorganic Chemistry> by J.E. House, page 345. (Elsevier, 2008).
 
Please note that bond classification (ionic vs covalent) is not too precise, and that electronegativity difference is just a rule of thumb. So you deal with two approximate concepts, no wonder there are some gray areas.
 
Thanks guys! I also had the chance to talk to a phd student in organic chemistry today so I really got this now. Seems like the first source I read regarding the S-O bond was wrong then, thanks! :)
 

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