What Is the Correct Expression for the Force Fo in an Inclined Plane Problem?

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The problem involves a block of mass m accelerating up a frictionless inclined plane at an angle α, with a force Fo applied at an angle β above the horizontal. Participants are discussing the correct expression for the force Fo based on the given conditions and equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are attempting to derive the expression for Fo using force balance equations and trigonometric relationships. There are discussions about the components of forces acting on the block and the angles involved. Some participants question the setup of the force vectors and their relationships to the inclined plane.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various approaches to derive the expression for Fo, with some participants suggesting specific expressions from the list provided. There is an indication of differing interpretations regarding the setup of forces and angles, but no explicit consensus has been reached.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework problem, which may limit the information available and the methods that can be used. The problem involves multiple expressions for Fo, and there is an emphasis on understanding the relationships between the forces and angles involved.

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Homework Statement


A block of mass m accelerates with acceleration g up a frictionless plane that is inclined at
an angle α above the horizontal. The force Fo that pushes the block is at an angle β above
the horizontal. Find the force Fo.

1. mg(1 + sin β)/cos(α + β)
2. mg(1 + sin α)/cos(α + β)
3. mg(1 + sin β)/cos(α − β)
4. mg(1 + sin α)/cos(α − β)
5. mg(1 − sin β)/cos(β − α)
6. mg(1 + sin α)/cos(β − α)
7. mg(sin β)/cos(α + β)
8. mg(1 + sin β)/cos(β − α)
9. mg(1 − sin β)/cos(α + β)
10. mg/cos(α + β)

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Homework Equations


F=ma
a=g


The Attempt at a Solution



\SigmaF=ma=mg=Fu-Fg

where Fu is the force up the incline and Fg is the force of gravity (down)

Fg=mgsinα

Fu is a little more complicated to figure out. Here's my idea:

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A is the adjacent side between the two triangles and Fu is the force parallel to the incline. A is also parallel to the horizontal. Because of this double parallel setup, it can be seen as two sets of parallel lines and transversals, so the new angle can be identifed as α using geometry. Thus:

cosβ=A/Fo
cosα=Fu/A

F_{u}=Fo*cosα*cosβ

So then:
mg=Fo*cosα*cosβ-mgsinα
mg(1+sinα)/(cosα*cosβ)=Fo

There is a trig identity that allows me to rewrite this as:

2mg(1+sinα)/(cos[α-β]+cos[α+β])=Fo

This is where I am stuck. I'm at an answer similar to those given but not quite there. Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
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wmrunner24 said:
So then:
mg=Fo*cosα*cosβ-mgsinα

your upward force \vec{F}_u is wrong. remember that a vector is same anywhere in the space as long as its direction and the length is the same. so bring that vector

\vec{F}_o

at the center of the block.. then what would be the angle between the vector

\vec{F}_o

and the inclined plane ?
 
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So...

cos(α+β)=Fu/Fo
Fo*cos(α+β)=Fu

So then:

mg=Fo*cos(α+β)-mgsin(α)
mg(1+sin(α))/cos(α+β)=Fo

So choice 2. Right?
 
yes........
 

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