Determination of the velocity of a particle in a hollow cone

In summary, the conversation discusses a problem involving a smooth hollow circular cone and a particle moving in a circle on its inner surface. The first part of the question is solved by using equations related to the modulus of elasticity of an elastic string. In the second part, the only change is the addition of a particle hanging freely on the string, leading to a simple solution of tension being equal to mg. The summary concludes with a thank you for the help.
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Homework Statement
Determination of velocity of particle in hollow cone
Relevant Equations
F=mv^2/r
Hi, please could I ask for help with the following question:

A smooth hollow circular cone of semi-angle α, is fixed with its axis vertical and its vertex A downwards. A particle P, of mass m, moving with constant speed V, decribes a horizontal circle on the inner surface of the cone in a plane which is at a distance b above A. If P is attached to one end of a light elastic string PQ of natural length a and of modulus of elasticity mg, find V^2 if:

1) Q is attached to A.
2) Q is passed through a small hole at A and is attached to a particle of mass m hanging freely in equilibrium.

I've done part 1. It's part 2 that has me stuck.

Here's my diagram and answer for part 1: (I have indicated items relating to the elastic string in red)

cone.png


Here's my reasoning:

We are told that the modulus of elasticity of the elastic string is mg, this means that for a natural length a and an extension x that the tension in the elastic string is T = mgx/a (Equation 1)

Also, r = b tan(α)

Resolving Horizontally:

R cos(α) + T sin(α) = (mV^2) / (b tan(α)) (Equation 2)

Resolving Vertically:

R sin(α) = T cos(α) + mg

Substituting in this equation for T (from Equation 1) we get:

R = ( mgx cos(α) ) / (a sin(α)) + (mg) / sin(α) (Equation 3)

Using Equation 1 and Equation 3 to substitute for R and T in Equation 2 we obtain:

( mgx (cos(α))^2 ) / (a sin(α)) + mg cos(α) / sin(α) + ( mgx sin(α) ) / a = (mV^2) / (b tan(α))

This rearranges and simplifies to give:

V^2 = gb ( 1 + x / (a * cos(α)))

Finally we substitute in for x using:

cos(α) = b / (a + x) which gives x = (b / (cos(α) ) - a to obtain

V^2 = gb( 1 - sec(α) + (b/a) (sec(α))^2 ) which is the answer in the book

But now for part 2. Here's my diagram:

cone2.png

I reasoned that the only thing that has changed form part 1 is that we no longer have:

T = mgx/a because clearly the extension is now > x, it is x + k.

k is the extra extension caused by hanging the mass m to the setup in part 1.

Is k is the extension produced in the elastic string by a force mg which would mean that k = a
OR
Is k the extension produced in the elastic string by a force mg cos(α) which would mean that k = a cos(α) ?

I believe these equations still hold:

R cos(α) + T sin(α) = (mV^2) / (b tan(α))
R sin(α) = T cos(α) + mg
x = (b / (cos(α) ) - a

With either value of k I can't match the book answer of:

V^2 = gb (1 + sec(α) )

Thanks for any help,
Mitch.



 

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In part 2, isn't the tension just mg?
 
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Yes! I made that way too complicated. I see it now. Thank you.
 

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1. How is the velocity of a particle in a hollow cone determined?

The velocity of a particle in a hollow cone is determined by calculating the change in position of the particle over time. This can be done using the formula v = ∆r/∆t, where v is the velocity, ∆r is the change in position, and ∆t is the change in time.

2. What factors affect the velocity of a particle in a hollow cone?

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4. How does the velocity of a particle in a hollow cone differ from the velocity of a particle in a solid cone?

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