What is the Correct Metric Tensor for the Unit Sphere?

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The discussion revolves around the correct form of the metric tensor for the unit sphere, exploring different representations based on varying definitions of spherical coordinates. The scope includes theoretical aspects of differential geometry and the application of coordinate systems.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant cites a metric tensor from a wiki source as 1 0; 0 sin²θ, while another references their book stating it as cos²θ 0; 0 1.
  • A participant calculates a different form, 1 0; 0 cos²θ, expressing confusion over the discrepancies.
  • Another participant highlights potential confusion arising from differing definitions of the angle θ in mathematical versus physical contexts.
  • Clarification is sought regarding the specific coordinate system being used, with one participant suggesting a standard choice of spherical coordinates where θ is the longitudinal angle and φ is the co-latitude angle.
  • There is a discussion about how the ordering of coordinates affects the components of the metric tensor, with one participant noting that the terms g_{11} and g_{22} may be inverted based on coordinate order.
  • A participant acknowledges a mistake in their original post regarding the representation of the metric tensor, confirming that the second matrix should indeed have cos² as its first term.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct metric tensor based on their interpretations of spherical coordinates, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a consensus on the correct form.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the confusion may stem from differing definitions of angles and the ordering of coordinates, which could lead to variations in the metric tensor representation.

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Wiki says it's

1 0
0 sin^2\theta

My book says it's

cos²\theta 0
0 1

I calculate

1 0
0 cos^2\theta

?! which is it?
 
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Which angle is your theta? Mathematician's and physicist's notations of spherical coordinates seem to be opposite of each other. :rolleyes:
 
Exactly what coordinate system are you using on the surface of the sphere?


A standard choice (I would have thought) would be spherical coordinates, with \theta as "longitudinal" angle, \phi as "co-latitude" angle (measured from the positive z-axis), with \rho set equal to 1. Using those I get
\left( \begin{array}{cc}sin^2(\phi) & 0 & 0 & 1\end{array} \right)
similar to what Wikpedia gives but with \theta as latitude and reversing the order of the components.

I can't see how you could possibly get cos(\theta) without a square. If, as yenchin said, you use "latitude" instead of "co-latitude", you would get cos^2(\theta). Is it possible that your text has
\left(\begin{array}{cc}cos^2(\theta) & 0 \\0 & 1 \end{array}\right)
instead of just the "cos" you give? In that case, the only difference between that and what you give is choice of order of components. The only difference between Wikpedia's result and yours is choice of "co-latitude" rather than "latitude
 
I see now how g_11 and g_22 would be inverted depending on how you order the coordinates, i.e.

g_{11}(\theta,\phi) = g_{22}(\phi, \theta)

I used the same meaning of polar angles as the author of my book, i.e. theta as the "latitude" angle (measured from the projection of \vec{r} on the Oxy plane) and and phi as the "longitudinal" angle (measured from the positive x-axis to the projection of \vec{r} on the Oxy plane)

P.S. in my OP, the second matrix has cos² as its first term and not cos. Very sorry.
 

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